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A different photo etiquette question-

A few recent threads about the decorum of selfies reminded me of a travel/sharing space etiquette question I've pondered.

So many people what to take pictures of everything, and when I just want to look, I might be in the way of their shot. As a recovering people-pleaser, I don't always wait for everyone to get the perfect shot. Now, while walking along I'll often dodge or pause for someone taking a picture. And I'm patient enough to wait a moment here and there. But sometimes these are impossible.

Case in point: At the Basilica of San Marco in Venice a couple of months ago, I paid the extra fee to see the Pala d'Oro. Not immune to the impulse, before really taking in this large, ornate piece of art I stepped to the back of the space to frame a picture. I immediately realized that it was nearly impossible, given the large work in a small space, the glare from the glass over it, and the throngs making a cursory pass in front of it. After taking in the scene and the space, and waiting for some turnover, I decided to have a closer, non-photographic look at the fine craftsmanship. I went right up to the glass and spent a good few minutes appreciating the intricate artistry of jewels and gold. When I moved on, I caught dirty looks from people that had been waiting for me to get out of the way so they could take a (probably bad) picture.

What's your take on situations like this? Do you ever wait for people to take their pictures? Sometimes, like me? Do you get frustrated when people linger in your shot? Was I a jerk for looking up close for so long?

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8158 posts

I don't wait. Most have digital cameras (phones) and can just delete a photo.
It is not like the film era where a person only gets finite amount of shots and then have to buy more film for the camera.
Don't stress on your holiday, take your time.

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4656 posts

Sure I wait. But I also sometimes get so immersed in the art I am not aware of others waiting for me. I have some height so sometimes I can see over heads or from a bit of a distance. Or I sometimes look at a case from the side or back. To be honest, I rarely travel at the height of the height of travel, so I can figure out how to park my impatience and wait things out. I also seem to take longer than others, so once they are out of the way,I move in for a closer inspection.
I know that small binoculars or opera glasses are good for ceiling details. I guess they can also help with getting better views of anything.

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3076 posts

I was just in Venice in March. It definitely was difficult to get a decent picture of the golden alter in such a small space with a constant stream of people. I did get a nice picture though minus the bottom portion to avoid any heads in the picture. I do not like people in my photos!!

I always try to wait for people to move. But some places it’s just unavoidable. I would never ask someone to move or get upset at someone for being in a public place. Sometimes, you just have to give up on getting the picture. Or I learned a trick from my sister where you can shoot a picture of a building on an angle to avoid people. You might not get the whole building, but it makes for an interesting picture with no people.

I also try not to linger in a busy area where I know others are waiting for their perfect picture.

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One of the reasons I take very few photos anymore. I rarely if ever got a clean shot at something like that, and it was never as good as you could get on a postcard. I judge the situation and the demeanor of the person waiting to take the shot. But am much less willing to forego my time than I used to be. Politeness often gets abused, and rarely if ever appreciated. So I act in kind.

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2594 posts

How retro of you to use eyes.

I had the opposite problem. I was trying to look at Michelangelo's Pieta inside St. Peter's but I had to wait (I have no height advantage!) while person after person barely glanced at it but just had to take a photo of themselves in front of it, and then a photo of them and their friend, and now one of the whole family, and now let's upload it while still standing here. Same thing at the Van Gogh museum. Imagine going all that way and not even looking at the art because you're so busy lining up to take a selfie in front of the Sunflowers backdrop.

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1140 posts

For a perfectly framed photo of a major artwork, buy a postcard in the gift shop.

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957 posts

I politely ask, can i get this shot clear of people. They have every right to be there. I ask nicely. And most everyone is accommodating. If they don't, it is their right to be there. Some want me to sent them photos and give email photos, which I will do. I have a card, LOL. Cards are still important. And set up THEIR event photo, before mine. Done for free. In crowded areas, its just you figuring out the impossible in crowded spaces.

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I not uncommonly take 2000+ photos on a two week trip. Sometimes I wait for the right shot, but sometimes I'll take multiple pictures quickly hoping one will be right. If it's really a popular sight, chances are there's a great photo online or buy a postcard. A lot of my pictures are surroundings, odd angle, local flora, architectural elements-things that give a memory of the essence of a place if not the main attraction. Hooray for digital.

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1208 posts

Well, yes, it can be frustrating if you're trying to get a clean shot of something like the Pala d'Oro--something with a limited opportunity to shoot, and a steady stream of people--but I always try to hide any frustration. I don't know why that person is lingering longer than I'd like. Perhaps they visited this site before, but at that time it was with a loved one who's now deceased, and they are remembering that time. Or they are enraptured by the art or view or whatever. We all have our reasons to see whatever it is we're looking at.

However, with digital photography, one can just take several shots and layer them together later. If you have enough shots, you should be able to get the whole thing clean. Is this more work? Sure, but it's doable.

And, if it's someplace accessible all the time, just get up early. 4AM, at, say, the Trevi Fountain, it will just be you and some small number of other people doing that same thing. I was there one February and it was just me and one other person and we took turns framing up shots, talking to each other, sharing thoughts, and generally enjoying ourselves. It's a great memory.

Now, if the people blocking my view are Selfie takers, with tongues agog and snapping endless shots for half an hour....well, I guess that's a topic for another thread :-)

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778 posts

It depends ... Sometimes I wait for a clear shot, and sometimes I take pictures with random people in frame. If there aren't too many people, I will often wait for the clear shot. If a place is really crowded, I just go with the flow. Sometimes I like have a person in the frame to show scale, or to show how people are reacting to the location. Sometimes I get interesting shots when I slow down the shutter speed enough to get some motion blur from the crowds.

Of course, I like to take pictures of people, and so if someone wants to stand in front of the camera, I am often more than willing to take a photo.

I do get frustrated with the influencer crowd sometimes. The female pouty faces and wardrobe changes are not my thing. Seriously, I was at Hierapolis a couple of weeks ago, and this young lady had a whole backpack full of different outfits. She and her boyfriend must have been center stage for 20 minutes. There was the picture with just the dress, and then the picture with a denim jacket, and then the picture with a scarf and no jacket, and then with a hat, and then no hat, and then with sunglasses, and then with no sunglassses. That sort of thing makes me crazy.

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2154 posts

I like to take photos and try to wait my turn for an open, people-free shot. Sometimes I offer to take a photo of a person or couple and then they politely move away. On a recent trip to Antarctica, my BF and I took close to 5,000 photos. One of the guys on our tour was a semi-professional photographer. He was oblivious (rude) to the point of running in front of everyone to take his pictures. He messed up several of my videos and is featured prominently in another few photos. What a shame.

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4499 posts

I'm far from an art connoisseur, but to me, eyes take priority over a camera lens. And if I'm the photo taker, it's my responsibility to wait and be appreciative if someone notices me and moves aside for a few seconds. I stress A FEW SECONDS.

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"I do get frustrated with the influencer crowd sometimes. The female pouty faces and wardrobe changes are not my thing. Seriously, I was at Hierapolis a couple of weeks ago, and this young lady had a whole backpack full of different outfits. She and her boyfriend must have been center stage for 20 minutes. There was the picture with just the dress, and then the picture with a denim jacket, and then the picture with a scarf and no jacket, and then with a hat, and then no hat, and then with sunglasses, and then with no sunglassses. That sort of thing makes me crazy."

With that type of person, I would just walk up to the middle of their shot, say excuse me and take my time taking a photo.

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559 posts

I'm far from an art connoisseur, but to me, eyes take priority over a camera lens. And if I'm the photo taker, it's my responsibility to wait and be appreciative if someone notices me and moves aside for a few seconds.

As someone who takes a lot of photos I totally agree.

It's just the way it is and as a photographer you have to wait. And it doesn't hurt to just ask if you can take a picture. My experience shows me that with politeness and patience you almost always get where you want to go :-)

I've already mentioned in another post that I'm of course sometimes in the way with my tripod. But I make sure it's not too long and I talk to the people.

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1829 posts

From the perspective of a photographer.

If I am taking a normal travel memory / snapshot I use my phone and not going to take long to setup or compose a shot. It need not be perfect. I am ok with others in the view in this case and similarly think others should not take things so serious when using their phones or cameras for similar pictures.

If I am taking(making) a serious picture, I will take my time and don't mind waiting hours or even returning at another time to get the shot I want. It is my job in this case to be the patient one and consider myself as potentially in the way so mindful of that.

If I think I cannot take as good or better a photo as a common souvenir post card than you will see my with my phone. That is kind of an unspoken bar in my head as I assess the conditions / location but takes years to conclude that in a less than a minute.

I don't think you should feel shame for wanting to see something up close with your eyes to truly experience it ; if others want to also do that they should not have issue with waiting their turn and if they don't ; they should not take their own picture so seriously. I guess an exception might exist for something like the Mona Lisa where the crowds are always overwhelming ; therefore there is no one proper etiquette for all situations.

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This has become more difficult to navigate over time. Is it a recording for personal use, or is it a un-permitted Youtube production? The Youtube folks don't get permits or releases. Some don't even respect the "no photo" rules to a site at all. These people do bother me. They have no permissions to be doing video there. I also have to say, that many paces are very slow to adapt to new tech, and the things you can purchase, in the gift shop, from a professional that followed all the rules. We try to buy DVD photo sets, and there are none. And there isn't any other approved digital format, available either. And this also is bother some, if you've traveled to a very specific place to see and have a record of a very specific thing. Which is not allowed to record.