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It's interesting. As of today, according to Johns Hopkins University, who is keeping track of covid cases around the wold, in France they are averaging 34 new cases per 100,000 people. In Iceland, they are averaging 31 new cases per 100,000 people. In the USA they are averaging 38 new cases per 100,000 people. (Not including a big spike in cases today.)

So shouldn't the CDC put our own country at Level 4?

All the covid case numbers are based on seven day averages. The numbers in most places are skyrocketing.

Posted by
8465 posts

Its not in their mission. We're supposed to figure that out ourselves.

Posted by
825 posts

Myanmar is level 4 as well. My trip to France in October is still a go. ymmv.

Posted by
15096 posts

Remember this list is specifically for traveling abroad.

Yes. I'm putting it in perspective. These countries raised to Level 4 are just as bad as we are in the USA. Actually, a little better. Some people will see it and think, Oh, I'd better not travel to this or that country. I'm showing that it's not just foreign countries but our own country as well.

Posted by
1222 posts

I knew Spain was having trouble, but didn't realize France and Iceland were as well. :(

Posted by
7049 posts

The CDC already provides data at the county level, as well as general travel and safety advice. They've been consistent is saying "avoid travel" to places with high case loads and viral spread. If people can't draw their own conclusions about both domestic and non-domestic hotspots in spite of plenty of data, graphics with jarring red/crimson colors, and other info in major media sources and research institutions (Johns Hopkins, etc), then Houston, We've Got a Problem. There's a lot of bargaining (and whataboutism) going on ala 7 Stages of Grief.

Posted by
5640 posts

Spain's situation is improving, daily cases per 100,000 have been decreasing. France even looks better now than it was a week ago or so. Their cases per day are still increasing but now at a decreasing rate. I am happy our government makes these designations, but they seem to be slow on moving countries up and down. For example, Malta's vaccination rate is 91% and last I looked their other stats are improving, yet they are still classified as 4.

Posted by
7049 posts

I think this is pretty decent, easy-to-follow guidance for domestic travel (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/travel-during-covid19.html). There is a link inder "Check Travel Restrictions" that will take someone straight to individual state health departments for more detailed info. I plugged in Los Angeles and got directed to the right place. Each state gathers better data and graphics on their situation than the clunky CDC data displays. Some states, like Florida, have chosen to hide or obscure their data or not post updates as frequently as others - so buyer beware.

On a global map, the US shows up as Level 4 (as of now). https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/map-and-travel-notices.html

Posted by
931 posts

I've taken the time this time to pull out the side topics. The domestic vein was far more about debating the pandemic than providing travel advice. Please keep this thread about international travel.

Posted by
10209 posts

As you are comparing case numbers, look specifically where you are going. Very high numbers from overseas French departments and territories, as well as the whole south coast ( where I am) are raising the average. It's the same as looking at numbers that include Florida when you are headed to Michigan.

Posted by
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That is misinformation, Jules. There is no curfew in metropolitan France. I really don't know what planet this Julie M who wrote the article lives on.
Other misinformation: the writer days the number is per 100,000. Wrong for my department. According to Tousanticovid, that is the total number of cases for the total population.
You should look elsewhere for accurate info.

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5640 posts

Bets, I removed the post. However, I'm not sure it is incorrect. When I first looked at it, I thought the data was incorrect, then I looked again and realized that while others have been reporting cases per day, this is cases per week. You had correctly pointed out that COVID varies dramatically by region. I was trying to find cases per department and found that source and it seems quite consistent to department data someone posted last week. This information is important to me, because most of my time would be spent in southwest France.