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Preliminary observations On Gate 1 tour in Turkey.

My long awaited trip to Turkey is in progress. I flew from Seattle to Istanbul nonstop on Turkish Airlines and had a positive experience. I flew in a day early and chose 1) not to buy a transfer from Gate 1 and 2) not to stay my extra night in the tour hotel. These two items are not bargains under the Gate 1 brand. Their transfer would have been double the cost of a private transfer. I stayed at the hotel next door for $100 less than Gate 1 wanted. It was very easy to wheel my luggage next door the day the tour started! I stayed at Nippon Hotel Taksim first night and moved to Taksim Point hotel for the tour. Both are fine hotels.

Pretour I did a day food tour through Yummy Istanbul, “A taste of two Continents” that was highly recommended by cwsocial. It more than lived up to its billing and was a great way to explore and learn.

There are 35 passengers on my tour and they a fairly diverse group of individuals. Our tour guide is a native of Turkey and does have years of experience. Our welcome meeting was a bit short on susbstance, but we did do introductions and get some general directions.

The first night dinner is where I noticed a difference between Gate 1 and RS tours. There was no explanation of what foods we were eating and the guide didn’t really move about or socialize. This may be more reflective of the guide vs the tour company.

Day 2: Gate 1 used a bus to move people across the city and then pick them up at the end of the day. I’m pretty sure on a RS tour we would have skipped the bus and had a lesson on public transport system instead. We visited Topaki Palace, Haggia Sophia, the Blue Mosque and the Hippodrome. I left the group at the end of the tour day because I still wanted to see the Basilica Cistern which was not an included item on this tour, but just a few blocks away from where they were going to catch the bus. I toured the Cistern for about 30 minutes and then caught a tram and funicular back to the hotel. Imagine my surprise that I had arrived right on the heels of those on the bus. Traffic is so bad that public transport was definitely a better choice.

A second clear difference is that porterage is included on Gate 1 and not on RS tours. I am not sure how I feel about this yet. We are to have our bags out in the hall by 7 am for a 7:40 am departure. Will this be a service I enjoy or a nuisance? Only time will tell….

I wasn’t sure how the dynamic would change with a group of 35 vs 26 and so far, it hasn’t seemed to make too big of an impact. Perhaps I will notice this more as time goes on.

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This is a helpful overview.
You were so right to get over to the cistern--I remember that being a favorite spot, especially seeing those huge heads!

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Thank you for sharing your experience so far. I’d love to hear more when you finish the tour.

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Carol now retired, I'm glad that your Turkey trip is off to a good start. And I'm especially glad that you enjoyed the food tour with Yummy Istanbul. I agree that it was a great way to learn, even for me on my 2nd visit. I'm very glad that I did the food tour near the start of my stay.

Nice job on visiting the Basilica Cistern on your own via public transit - a better use of your time than a bus in traffic.

Looking forward to hearing updates about your time in Turkey!

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Great review so far. I am following this and comparing it with CWSocial's experiences.

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Thanks Carol!

You know Ive done a bunch of Road Scholar tours which usually include luggage porterage. What I found was that the luggage was piled in the lobby until the bus arrived, usually the time I was at the meet up location. It worked just as well for me to take my case down with me and then I could make sure it was loaded!

And lol about your taking public transit and getting back near to the same time! You are well-trained, lol.

Looking forward to more!

Pam

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Carol, thank you for the observations; which are very good to know. I'm another one who loved the Basilica Cistern, which was fascinating. Funny that you made it back with the others, though. :-)

I'm very glad to know that you did not feel the dynamic changed with the larger group. I'm not sure how many will be on my tour in Romanic, but that is a helpful observation.

Enjoy your trip!

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Enjoying your live updates of your tour in progress. I used Gate 1 for a tour in SE Asia and am interested to hear if your experience parallels mine (so far, it's on a similar track).

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I loved Istanbul and the Cistern is definitely worth a visit! I just returned from the Poland tour on Friday. I watched person after person handing the guide his tip at the end of that particular event. We were in the Market Square in Krakow. I pointed it out to our guide who was aghast. She asked me if that was a common practice and how much do you have to tip every guide, driver, etc. I’m curious, does Gate 1 offer extra excursions that require additional payment over the tour cost?

If I had many more years, I’d go back to Turkey.

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@Diane. Gate 1 does not include tips for the guide or driver in their tours. They have a suggested amount of $10/day for the guide and $5 day for the driver. They do offer a significantly lower price.

The reality is that you are paying tips to the driver or guide one way or another. With Rick Steves they include that in the base cost of the tour. With Gate 1, you pay it separately.

Gate 1 has optional excursions at several places that you can choose to pay more for or you can choose to have some free time for independent sightseeing. I personally like this. It gives a little more freedom to make your tour personalized for you.

Cost of 12 day Gate 1 Turkey tour with optional excursions, solo supplement, and additional tips figured in for me is just a little less than $2500 or around $208/day. Rick Steves 13 day tour would be $3765 for the same items or $289 a day.
I have always felt Rick Steves Tours have given me good value and quality. This tour, I wanted to try and see if I can still have a good experience with a tour that costs a little less. So far, the answer is yes. I’ll keep you posted as the tour progresses.

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I don't get the tip thing. 35 people on the bus all give $10 a day to the guide. $350 a day in tips. I didn't see the trip duration, but if 10 days that $3,500 for 10 days work. Pretty good pay in my opinion. Don't they get paid too?

I think it would be more honest for them to describe the people on the tour paying the guide's salary.

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On French tours, if there is a tip, it’s 3 euros a day. Ten is quite expensive. I wonder if Gate 1 pays the guide and bus driver at all.

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Bets, I think it would be illegal for them not to. They are a US company and there are laws that prohibit employers from not paying contractors (which is how they are probably classified); even if they are tipped. I'm sure there is some kind of base compensation.

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Since we're discussing guide compensation with Gate 1, we should also note that on the two tours we took with them, there were none of those prearranged shopping stops that I hate.

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First of all, $350 a day for a tour guide would not be a good wage by American Standards. They are not working an 8 hour day! I am confident that Gate 1 pays a base wage. If I get a chance to ask our guide exactly how Gate 1 works guide compensation, I will report back here.

I agree that there are no shopping stops which is greatly appreciated !

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I talked to our guide about how he is compensated. His answer was specific for Turkey. The base wage for guides in Turkey is not set by the company they work for but by the Ministry of Tourism. He told me that this base wasn’t considered a good wage by most guides. Tour companies either pay an additional amount over the base and pass that cost directly in their tour pricing or they strongly suggest a daily tip amount to raise the rate for the tour guide. The sticker price is lower for these tours, in part, because the extra remuneration for the guide has not been passed on in the base price of the tour.

Either way, the guide is paid. I think my personal preference is to have this in the base price, but it truly isn’t that big of a deal since I knew of this cost far in advance.

Edited to add: my guide followed up on my question later with a bit more info on tipping. He personally likes the tipping approach because that money is often paid in US dollars or Euros which are not facing the same inflationary pressures as the Lira. He feels better compensated when at least part of the money is not in lira.

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Thanks for posting about this.

We've done two Asia trips with Gate 1 in the past year, to Vietnam and China. We loved them both. We usually self plan for Europe, but have been eyeing some of the Gate 1 offerings there, so this is helpful.

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Im wrapping up greece/turkey w another company that suggested the local equivalent of 6 usd daily for guide, 3 usd for drivers