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Germany/Switzerland

Just returned from 25 days in Germany and Switzerland. Here are a few notes:

Flights: San Francisco <-> Frankfurt. We choose United non-stop flights for convenient times and cost. But I will never fly United again until they make improvements. The seats were so cramped we could not move in any direction for 11 hours each way. Don't fly United.

Car Rental: We used gemut.com and they got us a good deal with Hertz thru AutoEurope. We were able to decline the local insurance and went with American Express Car Rental Insurance plan, and prepaid in US $$ with AmEx before we left. We picked up and dropped off a small Ford in Frankfurt. No hassles, no problems. Highly recommend working with gemut.com. We put 1500 miles on the car without any problems.

Credit/Debit Cards: We used CapOne credit cards with chip and pin, but were never asked for the pin. Worked well at all stores and at freeway gas stations. At stores and restaurants the credit card device displayed in English, and asked to pay either in the local currency or in US$. Always choose local currency! The device then prints out a slip for your signature, and a receipt. Never had a problem, and conversion was very very close to the current rate. We used our Wells Fargo/Visa debit card, chip and pin, at cash machines (ATMs), and they all had an English language option on screen, and always asked for a pin. No problems there either. Wells charged $5 per transaction.

Autobahn/Autoroute tolls: The péage tolls accepted our credit card but never gave a receipt. There was one situation in France where the machine rejected our card. Luckily I had the 21 € in cash. But the delay made some of the drivers behind us a bit pissed off. Very embarrassing. But the card worked elsewhere. Also, be careful as to which lane you go into as some only accept a transit card while others accept credit cards. Hard to tell which is which from the icons they use. But the tolls are steep.

Driving in Switzerland!: In Switz you need a vignette tax sticker on the car windshield. They cost 40 CHF ($41) and are good for a year! You buy one at the first gas station you find near the border. This is a total ripoff! especially if driving a rental car. I assume had we picked the car up in Switzerland it would already have the sticker. We did buy one, but I didn't permanently stick it on the car. This is probably illegal, but why would I stick it on a rental car? Besides, we were in Switz for only two weeks. Austria, I'm told, lets you buy a two-week vignette. This is a complete ripoff. But, there are no tolls in Switzerland as a result.

Not to be missed: We were mostly in/around Geneva and Cologne, but not to be missed are Dijon, France, and Aachen, Germany. These towns get few tourists and have very lively and historic town centers. And some wonderful restaurants. The Dom in Aachen is truly amazing.

Some Recommendations:
Hotel Beethoven in Frankfurt. Very quiet neighborhood, great location, great staff.
Hotel Wilson in Dijon. Close to the old town center. Historic building. Great staff.
Hotel Staubbach in Lauterbrunnen, Switz. Remodeled and very comfortable. And wonderful staff, very helpful.
Meson El Cordobes, Spanish restaurant in Cologne -- the real thing! Exceptional!
Restaurant Camping Jungfrau, Lauterbrunnen -- a real surprise! Unexpected.

That's it. We had a really really great time. Hope these comments help.
Trüss!

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Forgot at least one thing: If landing or leaving from Frankfurt Airport, be prepared to walk ... a lot. Everything seems to be arranged in such a way that you need to walk great distances. It seemed we did a lot more walking, from arrival gate, to baggage claim, to passport/customs, to the taxi rank outside, than we did hiking in the Alps! Be prepared.

But, there's a very good restaurant in the airport: Käfers! We had a great lunch there before boarding our 11 hour flight home. Glad we did, because the food on board was, uh, AWFUL to put it mildly.

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True about flying United SFO to FRA or vice versa. It's not only the squished in feeling for 11 hrs but they're late, ie one hour in taking off.. This year I flew United again, in spite of the one hour delay in 2014, but to Paris, still squished but for 11 hours direct with not too bad of a price, I'll take it. Much better, however, on British Airways going over.

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Flights--United Airlines has a new CEO, and he's promising big changes to customer service. That won't help the tight seating, however. Hopefully happier employees will make happier customers.
Car Rental--The comp and collision insurance on my personal car at home carries forward to Germany as primary. My Gold Card provides comp and collision insurance, however it's secondary. Therefore, I refuse CDW as I really don't require it--except in Italy. I shop directly with AutoEurope specifying the pickup addresses that I know is a Hertz location. I'll also shop Hertz with my company's frequent renter card--and choose which every price is less.
Credit Cards--I do use Capital One credit cards as they don't discount the currency exchange rate--100% credit as of the market price that day. I use an ATM card from my credit union (free) as my Wells Fargo ATM $5.00 rate also comes with a 3% discount--excessive charges.
Vignette Charges--It's nice not to have tolls to deal with, but the scenery of the Alps is absolutely incredible--and worth every penny of the vignette charges.

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Switzerland's road system includes numerous tunnels - which are are an incredible feat of engineering and VERY expensive to build. If you take that into account, the vignette is actually a pretty good deal (and only 3 of the tunnels charge a toll these days).

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And that 40CHF (about €36) Vignette is not for tourists alone, it is for nearby country visitors (like me, I currently have 7 on my car after taking a bunch of really old ones off), but for all the residents in Switzerland who choose to drive on motorways.

And it isn't just valid for 10 days like the Austrian one, for which you paid €9.70.

That Swiss Vignette is valid for 14 months. It is valid for the 12 months represented by the year on the Vignette, and the prior December and the following January.

The Austrian Vignette costs 9.70/10 = €0.97 per day of validity. The Swiss (in Euro equivalent so we don't compare apples with oranges) works out to 36/425 = €0.084 per day of validity.

So which is the ripoff? 97 cents a day? Or 8 and a half cents a day? I personally think neither is. They are both very valuable.

By the way, keep an eye on your mailbox. The instructions about how to affix the Swiss Vignette is clearly printed on the detachable part in English. It is an offence to not affix it permanently and Swiss roads are patrolled by automatic cameras which can tell if they are properly applied. You may well receive a fine in the coming months. You will get the first hint when the car rental company dings your credit card for around €45 for checking its records and providing your details to the police.

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The vignette is a ripoff for tourists who are only going to be on the roads for 14 days, as in my case, for which the remaining 60 weeks or so valid on the vignette is unusable. And with a rental car, is Hertz going to charge me for putting a sticker on the windshield? And why should I be paying for the next person to rent that car?

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Oh, come on now, rchrd (richard?). 36 euro for the vignette is not exactly a rip off. If you had to pay highway & tunnel tolls, it would likely total much more than 36 euro, an amount that probably doesn't even pay for lunch inSwitzerland.

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It's the principal of the thing. Ok. I should have permanently attached the vignette. But it's a rental car. It should have already come with it. All the other tax stickers are there. And, now that I've talked about it in the public forum, I guess I should expect a knock on the door any day now from InterPol. But Hertz didn't say anything when I told them we would be driving to Switzerland. I still think Hertz should have provided a car with the ticket already there.

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All foreign travelers wishing to travel to the United States must pay a ESTA tax of $14. What do they get in return? Nothing. Is that fair?

At least the vignette pays for the maintenance of very expensive roads and tunnels.

Historically the vignette was setup when the Swiss government realized that the Gotthard tunnel enabled travelers to cross Switzerland repeatedly without spending a penny in the country just stopping for a bathroom break.

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I have nothing against the vignette tax. But why should I give it to Hertz so that the next person who rents the car doesn't have to pay it? That's the part that bothers me the most. We found that the roads and major highways in France/Germany/Switzerland were far better maintained than our roads. I have no complaints there. But Hertz should have supplied a car with the tax sticker on it rather than have me buy one for them.

Ok. Enough on this subtopic. Our trip was wonderful. The last time we were in Germany was in 1975 and it was grim. Very grim. This time it was amazing. These are the memories I want to keep.

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Why did you see Germany in 1975 as grim? In the Cold War days? I was in Germany in 1973, it didn't seem grim to me only that the exchange rate had worsened from two years earlier plus the fact that I was broke in 1973. My plan was to go back in 1975 but couldn't do financially until 1977. Traveling was indeed different then, both harder and easier than now.