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France for 3 weeks

Starting this off by saying I consider myself a nerdy traveler who does a lot of research before going...

Did a 3 week in France and honestly while I am happy to have visited the places I did, it's not something I would wish to repeat. For myself (and I do think my travel partner as well) we think the value for cost and level of inconvenience was lacking.

Week one -Toulouse/Carcassonne and Dordogne - thank you to people who recommended we stay in Toulouse and not Carcasonne. While I enjoyed the fortified city it really doesn't have a lot outside of that so making it a day trip was good. Toulouse was decent, though a tad laced with druggies (so beware the central square might have some odd characters) same with the main street where we saw a lady drop her drawers to defecate (how charmant =p). Stayed at FirstName (ok lobby smells strange though). Driving in France was fairly easy but extremely slow. Used Sixt, ok experience. Rented a station wagon. The drives in the countryside were gorgeous. Dordogne was lovely, stayed in Sarlat at a Rick Steve's recommended place. Very quiet, quaint, and nice people (Cote Jardin). Enjoyed the city and surrounding views. Did a half day tour with Orpheus. Visited Roufiggnac (excellent) and Lasceaux recreation, a nice day out. Castles were fun in the region. Food was decent in Sarlat. Drive to Loire valley was slow...oh so slow.

Week 2- Loire and Normandy
Visited Loire valley by going East to West. Loire valley is beautiful and not to be missed. Quite exhausting. Used Amboise and Saumur as bases. Amboise was nice. Stayed at Le Clois Amboise and Hotel Anne d'Anjou would recommend both. Went to Puy du Fou. Lots of fun, super quirky but nice to do something very domestic French and different. You don't find tourists there for the most part. Went to Normandy/Saint Michaels mount. Glad I saw it, but it's a tourist trap. Was at La Jacotiere - great place to stay, just beware all rooms are upstairs. Nice host lady.

Drive to Paris (a week there) - oh Paris ... Hmm I decided the people who love Paris are people who don't go out to see other places in France which are much nicer. Yes Versaille is intriguingly gaudy and a grotesque display of wealth and insanity (explains partly why the Revolution happened) and it was fascinating. louvre is good to see the art, the collection is phenomenal. The stained glass is beautiful in multiple cathedrals. But Paris is? Like any other big city except inconvenient. Sick? Oh yeah the pharmacy closes early. Also I'm not sure what it was but it seemed the plague was going around. If I had $50 for everytime someone sneezed or coughed uncovered I would have had my trip paid for. Just quite gross. Toilets are obscenely high in all of France something no one told me or I would have preordered a step stool. Very uncomfortable. While I'm used to the opening and closing of dining institutions I found it more inconvenient in France than Germany even.

Hailing a cab is a bit of an art even using an app, you pay surge pricing to have someone pick you up. Don't use Airport taxi transfer. That company took my money when my flight ✈️ time changed a bit and I needed to be picked up one hour earlier. While I'm glad I saw what I did France really underwhelmed me, and I'm someone who has had an interest in visiting for over 25 years. From the lack of AC in the Louvre to poor signage in Versailles, to general hygiene issues; it really distracted from an otherwise fun experience. The customer is always last in France. And don't get me wrong I've been to similar places, but I did find it unexpectedly over the top in certain locations. A good example is the pain benches at the Louvre. Why would anyone design seats that make you slide off so you cannot even have a sandwich without a painful rear is just unnecessary. Meanwhile you are roasting in Satan's greenhouse. I cannot imagine what summer traveler's endure. Perhaps Mona Lisa is laughing -at us!

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Seems like this is how I feel when visiting Los Angeles…

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Hi, I’m really surprised at your overall feel of France, but I appreciate you sharing your impressions of it, including your favorites & least favorites. I enjoy Paris a lot. When contrasted with some of the other locations in France (Loire Valley, French Riviera, eastern France), I also had a bit of that “greater appreciation for the cities outside Paris”. I am probably heading back to France next year which will include many cities - some favorites, some new & will devote time in Paris, too.

For the taxi in Paris to the airport, I just asked my hotel to reserve a taxi for us when we were leaving last December. There were no issues, the price was what I expected and had been quoted - all good.

Which countries have been your favorite to visit?

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@phil - oh yes Los Angeles is dreadful and overrated and I live here 🤣

I've been to China for 3 months, Germany, England, Scotland, Wales and Japan (road tripping to get off the beaten path except in China). So far Japan is honestly at the top of my list along with Scotland. I have many places I'd like to visit though in the world (as vacation time allows of course).

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Hmm I decided the people who love Paris are people who don't go out to
see other places in France which are much nicer.

I do agree with this, I don't get the fascination with Paris, but I'll be going back at some point to try again.

I'm curious, do you feel if you would have spent more time in one location that you may have enjoyed your trip more? We spent a week in Dordogne in the Fall of 2024 and Id say that was a good start. We've made basic plans for Normandy but no date set and so far we've got 2 weeks planned and could easily add a 3rd.

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oh yes Los Angeles is dreadful and overrated and I live here

Maybe you need to be a tourist to appreciate LA. It was our default location when we had no better place to go for a quick, cheap trip. As a tourist we also have the luxury of avoiding rush hour and only visiting the 'pretty' places. Sadly the US as a whole is off our list for the next few years.

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Regarding Toulouse..

I don't know which places you're referring to when you mention Central Square and Main Street; those aren't French names. And above all, you were given bad advice by staying at the Firstname Hotel. I always make a point of advising people not to go to the area around the train station where that hotel is located.

That said, to be honest, I found Los Angeles much uglier and dirtier than Toulouse, and generally unsafe.

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We've been all over France. Lille, Amiens, Arras, Verdun, Alsace area, Champagne area, Loire twice, Burgundy, Normandy, Brittany, Bordeaux, Bordeaux City, Dordogne, Basque France, and more places to go yet. We love France. We've been to many, many places in France yet, we love Paris.

We've been to many of the big cities in Europe. We tend to like most places we go to and I'm not sure if we are not discerning or perhaps I've done so much research that we do not end up in places we don't like.

We liked Paris more than Madrid, Zurich, Warsaw or London. Not that we disliked Madrid, Warsaw or London, we liked them, but they didn't speak to us as much as Paris. I will say that Zurich did not speak to us at all, but we were there a short time. I put Paris right up there with the other large European cities that we've visited and absolutely loved--Munich, Barcelona, Sevilla, Lisbon, Porto, Rome, Venice, Budapest, Vienna, Krakow, Vienna, Prague.

Much of Europe is just crowded. A person needs to develop some "tricks" if they'd really like to visit busy cities. For example, in Venice, we didn't stay by St. Mark's and we're up and out be 7am. For other places, it helps to be there overnight and visit late and early in the day. Mont St Michel was gorgeous at the golden hour, I have the most beautiful pictures of the abbey with sheep in the foreground and beautiful lighting. We were back early in the morning and up to the abbey by opening.

Outside of Europe, we tend to avoid a lot of time in large cities. But, if its a large city with a lot of character, I'm all in--Sydney, Melbourne, Wellington, San Francisco, Boston, Washington DC, Chicago, St. Louis, New Orleans, Seattle. Don't love Los Angeles, I've enjoyed a few trips to NYC, though no great need to go back.

We've never used a taxi or driver service in Paris, or elsewhere in France, we've always rented a car or used public transportation. I really like RER B from Paris airport. I love to walk in the towns I visit, as much as possible. Paris has a great metro. I will admit to being a bit of a cheapskate, but I do travel a lot, up to about 3 months of the year, so I need to economize. But, I also, just like to be with the locals, and I guess other tourists.

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@jo yes 💯 Los Angeles is far more ghetto than anything I saw anywhere in France. Or well anywhere I've traveled. Just some observations though. Toulouse had less "drug-zombies" but still had some. I chose FirstName due to location near the station.

To be specific: Jean Jaures (which to me is a main street) which leads to the old city and Capitole. (which is a square when you stand in it).

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I think that mythical big cities such as Paris are so crowded that unless you have to add to your bucket list, you should look for other places that are not mainstream. As a Native PNW person I like my Seashore, Snow topped Volcanos and deep green Forests. The Parks do get too crowded. Traveling far from home is loosing it's charm. The advice to not stay in Hotels near Big City Train Stations rings true around the World. It seems that the unhoused who seek solace haunt these places. Hopefully, society will start to help remedy this situation. Seattle is trying to make things better for the FICA Games. IMO most of the Locals, except for the young peeps, will avoid Downtown during that time. But hopefully the Fans will support all the Downtown merchants and bars and cafes as they are trying really hard to Welcome people from around the world.