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Fabulous Tour de France - 2 weeks on foot and by train + 2 weeks by e-bike

We have just returned from 4 weeks in France. We built our trip around two weeks of e-biking (self-guided tour, through Le Velo Voyageur, https://www.levelovoyageur.com/en/). Top level review: Touring by bike (or e-bike) is absolutely the way to go! This is a great way to see France through the back door, to slow down our pace and become more of a visitor and less of a tourist.

We flew into Bordeaux. LONG trip from Seattle, via LHR and CDG with tight connections. Thank you to Travel Forum participants who gave us some advice on navigating CDG and to Air France for being gracious in boarding us once we arrived at the gate about 3 or 4 minutes after boarding closed.

A few days in Bordeaux allowed us to learn more about French wines and French history at the Musée du Vin et Negoce (not the big fancy new wine museum) & Musée d'Aquitaine.

Then we took the train to Bergerac where we started our one week bike loop up the Dordogne and Vezere rivers. Highlights were Font-de-Gaume and the National Museum of Prehistory in Les Eyzies, Lascaux, a wonderful dinner at Le Grand Bleu in Sarlat, Le Roque Gageac, Chateau Milandes and a lovely hotels that Velo Voyageur booked - La Roseraie in Montagnac and Hotel Clement V in Belves. Luggage transfers from hotel to hotel were all perfect.

We then traveled by train from Bergerac to Nantes where we visited someone who we had hosted as an exchange student many years ago. From there, we took the train to Blois and began our second one week bike tour, again through Velo Voyageur, down the Loire Valley to Amboise, Tours, Azay-Le-Rideau, Chinon and finally Saumur. Chateaux along the way were Chaumont, Chateau Lucé in Amboise, Chateau Royal in Amboise, Chenonceaux, Villandry, the Fortress in Chinon, and Chateau Ussé. The Loire has many well-marked bike routes along trails & farm roads. Ironically, the bikes we had in the relatively level Loire Valley were lighter, better geared, and more powerful than the less-than-fully-satisfactory bikes the Velo Voyageur's contractor supplied in the hillier Dordogne.

Along the way, we met a number of travelers and locals -- both at restaurants and sites we visited, but also at stores and along the trails. Between our limited French (although I did study some over the past 6 to 8 months to improve my ability to converse) and some locals' English, we were frequently able to converse about personal histories and stories - not just needs. :-)

After our second week of biking, and our five days in Bordeaux (3) and Nantes (2), we had a week left for Chartres, Versailles and Paris. Chartres was lovely. We were pleased to have two nights there, so we were able to enjoy Chartres en Lumière (which I had first learned of through the RS Travel Forum). We also stumbled onto an amazing public library there, Médiathèque L'Apostrophe, which was in a remarkable and fascinating building, with an interesting collection and special exhibit in the lobby. Versailles was actually rather hum-drum, despite being so large and monumental. Neither my wife nor I were impressed by the art or by the gardens. Everything is large and grand, but Chaumont's and Villandry's gardens were far more elegant.

For our final four nights and three days in Paris, other than for an excursion to Giverny we tried to stay off the tourist track even though we were staying just over a block away from the Luxembourg Gardens in the 6th Arr. We took in the very nice exhibit about Leon Monet (Claude's brother) currently at the Musée Luxembourg, Maison Balzac, the Sarah Bernhardt exhibit currently at the Petit Palais and some covered passages in the 9th and 2nd Arr. We also took in a lovely not-to-be-named street of shops and more - barely in the 5th, but far from the Seine.

British Airways cancelled our flight home, so we took advantage of an extra afternoon & night in Paris to go the Musée Orangerie. (FORUM: Departure from CDG - A cautionary tale.)

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Fred, that sounds like it was a wonderful trip! Love the report - thanks for posting it!

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This sounds like a wonderful trip! I visited some of the same locations (Chartres, Loire Valley, and Sarlat) on my tour last summer and really enjoyed all of them. For my free day in Sarlat, I rented an e-bike to explore the area, which I'd highly recommend. I am glad your trip was enjoyable (aside from the BA snafu, which it sounds like you made the best of. Thanks for sharing!

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Top level review: Touring by bike (or e-bike) is absolutely the way to
go! This is a great way to see France through the back door, to slow
down our pace and become more of a visitor and less of a tourist.

I don't think I've ever seen someone travel by bike in Europe and not give the experience absolutely top marks. One trip and you're hooked! :)

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Friends of mine had their flight from Budapest to Seattle cancelled 3 times by BA. They finally got a flight back with Iceland Airlines, which BA agreed to reimburse. P.S. saw on the network news that BA was hacked by DATA pirates which held them for Ransom; perhaps that was happening at that time.

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Hank,

Our first bike tour was "guided," in Croatia in 2018. Deluxe, with all kinds of perks - like chilled beverages and snacks courtesy of the "sag wagon" that one of our two guides drove, native guides who were charming and informative, and other little bits like a visit in a local artist's studio and wine-tasting.

Our two "self guided" tours in France lacked most of those (though one wine tour was booked for us), but we were closer to the ground in the sense that my wife and I had more opportunity to talk with locals, since we were not part of a group of North Americans.

Either way, biking is indeed a great way to go ... self guided seems to run about 1/2 the price.

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Awesome Fred!

My family started out self-guided a little more than 10 years ago. We did three of those until my wife became comfortable enough to let me plan the trips on my own.

The big hurdle for her was carrying stuff. I wanted to go to fully self-supported right away after our first self-guided tour because I wanted the freedom of planning my own itineraries and picking my own accommodations, and because it costs about half of what self-guided costs. But she worried about carrying our luggage in panniers.

It took a while, but I got her out on enough test rides at home for her to realize that weight on a bicycle is much easier than weight on your back. And also that you can pack more than you are going to take on the bicycling part of the trip, and then leave those extra clothes etc in your bag at the shop where you rented the bike in paniers. That way you don't have to go extra light the entire time.

Anyway, there's nothing inherently better about fully self-supported versus self-guided (AKA hotels are pre-booked for you and they move your luggage from one to the next). I like self-guided and would do self-guided again no problem. But self-supported is out there, and it's not so tough to sort out, and it is quite a bit cheaper. If cheaper is your sort of thing 🙂

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I haven't ridden the Dordogne, but I'm dying to give that a shot. It looks fantastic! If I try to get that together at some point I'm going to hit you up for a bit of advice. I'd go this summer but Brittany is siren songing me onto it's rocky shores :)

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Hank,

Velo Voyageur allowed us to revise their tours, which was nice. We took their Dordogne loop out of Bergerac and told them we wanted to add a second night a Montignac. Pas de probleme. They had a good number of Loire trips to choose from. What we wanted was seven nights from the middle of their 15 day trip from Orleans to the Atlantic. Again, they were happy to do that.

We did, on our own, revise their one-day loop from Sarlat that they suggested. We used the following App to do that: https://www.komoot.com/guide/20446/cycling-in-dordogne

We began our research for biking in France with the Freewheeling France website:
https://www.freewheelingfrance.com

What Lyn says about Freewheeling is:
Freewheeling France is a one-woman spare-time labour of love run with the help of a merry band of cyclists and writers who share my love of cycling in France.

Check these out, if you are not already familiar with them ... and perhaps you are.

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Fred I have close to 10k KM cycled in Europe lifetime, most of it cycle touring. Approaching 20 separate tours, if one counts different doors on the same trip, for instance, a Danube tour, and then three or dour lay days in Vienna, and then a Black Forest tour.

This summer I'm going to ride from Frankfurt airport to Strasbourg, then train to Rennes. After that I have eight or nine days before I meet my family in Amersfoort. I'm not sure yet if I will ride extensively in Northern France and then use a train to get up to the Netherlands, or be more focused on heading north and just ride too the Amsterdam area. I probably won't decide on that until I'm wheels on the ground in Brittany.

And then my family will bike tour for a week around the Hanseatic area of the Netherlands. They will fly off to Venice, and I will take the night train to Innsbruck. Then ride over the Alps to meet them in Bolzano. Then 4 days in The Dolomites, two riding days planned.

Finally 3 nights in Munich before departing. No biking planned but I can't see not doing at least a half day :)

Your tip about asking self-guided bicycle tour companies to semi-customize their existing tours for you is great advice! No one knows that this option is out there! It's so nice to be able to modify those itineraries.

You're also right that not all companies will modify for you. You need to ask ahead of time. The ones that will are usually a cheery yes; those that won't are an immediate hard no.

I us Komoot extensively. It's a fantastic resource for mapping trips. It's not too often that it sends you onto a freeway or some other sort of hectic deadly highway, but it can. It's wise to figure out your Komoot routes ahead of time and then vet them by both looking at the satellite images of the route on Google maps, and checking against Strava heat maps, which will tell you how often cyclists use a given route.

Anyway, I love riding a bike around in Europe, totally rules :). Great trip you took!

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Hi Fred,

I am enthusiastically following behind your bike trip breadcrumbs! Thanks for all the details and info you left in your wake. I am in the thick of planning a bike trip for my husband and myself for April 2024. We are both in our 60s and have our own e-bikes here at home and just love them. So we thought combining e-bikes with travel would be amazing.
We are currently considering and comparing: The best of the Dordogne with velo voyageur and The best of Dordogne with Discover France. Besides the quite big difference in price (Velo is less, I think it is due to differences in accommodation) the companies seem to offer similar services and support.
I was wondering if you could comment on the difficulty level of this particular region? Both companies rate this trip as challenging. We are both fit and like to hike and bike and do so on a regular basis. I was hoping for something that wasn't grueling (ie we can enjoy a nice dinner and stroll at the end of the day) and left time for stopping for pictures etc. My other concern was with road traffic and if you felt safe on all parts of the route? We were in Provence last spring in a rental car and boy some of those roads are narrow by NA standards. I read somewhere (you know when you read way too many sources and it all starts to blur?) that someone found this region to be better for walking/hiking.

Any other insights are most appreciated! Thanks in advance for your help.
Best,
Carolyn

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Hi Carolyn

I suggest you read my post a second time and explore this with some care with Velo Voyageur.

As I mentioned, the bikes that their contractor supplied in the Loire were better than the bikes that a different contractor supplied in the somewhat hilly Dordogne.

In the Dordogne, the local provider who contracted with Velo Voyageur had Oxford e-bikes with only 7 gears on the rear derailleur. Our bikes at home have 9 gears on the rear. The Shimano system was similar to our Bosch systems on our personal e-bikes. One review that I read gave Shimano and Bosch comparable ratings, but I “felt” that the Bosch is better. Maybe it’s because I have a 500 watt hour batter and not a 400 watt hour battery. The Oxford bike felt pretty heavy to me, as well. The Scott bikes we had in the Loire were Bosch with 9 gears in back. Felt lighter, but we never actually weighed the bikes. On Trip Advisor, we gave 5 stars for the Loire trip but 4 stars for the Dordogne trip entirely because of the difference in bikes.

So that’s one area where you might want to look a bit more deeply. You can call Velo Voyageur for very little money if you have Skype. Ridiculously cheap for an international call. They’re pretty responsive and all seem to have excellent English.

One other caution on the Dordogne trip was that in Le Bugue, they found us a B&B that was way up a big hill. Perhaps a 250 or 300 meter climb in not much more than one km of distance. I guess the other accommodations they used in Le Bugue might not have been available. Anyway, that was one of two occasions that we actually got off the bikes and pushed them uphill. (Just the two times over the course of a week.)

Those cautions aside, we loved both e-bike trips and the accommodations (though the hotel in Bergerac was not quite up to the same standard as the others).

In our 4 weeks in France, we found that three star hotels generally had far more charm than the typically more modern 4 star hotels. All hotels arranged by Velo Voyageur were nicely located and central to town, other than Bergerac and the B&B in LeBugue, as well as the 4 star Hotel Mercure in Blois (along the Loire, but at least 1/2 mile from the historic town center).

Other comments. Velo Voyageur was amenable to altering their itineraries. Our Dordogne trip added a second night in Montignac (home to Lascaux). The Loire itinerary that I requested was 6 days and 7 nights (they would call it 8 days) from the middle of their 15-day trip from Orleans to the Atlantic. Very nice.

In the Dordogne, we very much enjoyed Les Eyzies with its Musee de PreHistoire, as well as Font de Gaume.

ADDED COMMENTS: The roads in the Dordogne that Velo Voyageur sent us on were uniformly very quiet; perhaps one exception might be along the Dordogne in the area near La Roque Gageac, though drivers were considerate and speeds were moderate. Never felt unsafe. Nor did we ever feel overtaxed when we arrived at our accommodations (other than in Le Bugue), though we almost always found a shower to be refreshing.

The contractor with Velo Voyageur out of Bergerac (who supplied the bikes for the Dordogne segment) said he had [previously?] worked with Discover France, as well.

BTW, you can check out the two Dordogne hotels I mentioned, in Montignac and in Belves, on-line and judge those for yourself.

Bon vacance.

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Thanks so much, Fred, for your thorough reply. Much appreciated!