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Does anyone know what happened at the Notre Dame Cathedral Thursday?

We just returned from two weeks in France, with the last 5 days in Paris. Luckily we managed to get in the Louvre and Musee d'Orsay before they were closed Thursday night due to the record flooding....bummer my plans of renting bicycles and picnicking along the Seine were dashed, but we did get some out-of-the-ordinary excitement. With President Park of S. Korea visiting, the football games coming up, labor strikes, and of course last November's Jihadic unpleasantness, the city is very much on edge. We saw many automatic weapon toting soldiers roaming the streets as part of "operation sentinel", especially around tourist spots, and sirens were blaring all over the city all day long...but Thursday afternoon while we were at Notre Dame we got a bit of a scare. We gone through a security check at the door, and had worked our way to the opposite end of the cathedral, behind the alter where there are no exits. Signage at the entrance, repeated often as we made our way up the right hand side urges "Silence", but suddenly we heard a great deal of unintelligible shouting followed by some rather loud thumping noises. "That's not supposed to happen" I thought, and as we started to make our way back up the other side we ran into a stampede of I'd guess around 150 or so panicked looking fellow tourists, pushing us back....people were diving for the chapels and displays at the sides, cowering under alters and behind artifact displays. One woman was knocked over backward by the rush, and I helped her up. There was no gunfire or anything, but very much thinking of of the Bataclan we found the nearest exit, about halfway back toward the entrance, on the side with the tower-climb line. The adrenaline was flowing freely by that point. By the time we'd walked to the square where we could see the main entrance the Army had already shut it down, about 20 or so motorcycle police came streaming in and began clearing the square, with one motor-officer sweeping back and forth moving the crowd back. Shared experiences with some Australians who'd also just made it out, but afterward we went back to the hotel and turned on the TV news....non-stop flood coverage, and nothing else. I asked a waiter at a Rue Clere restaurant later, who thought it had been a protest of some kind, perhaps tied to the weeks labor unrest, but other than spotty gas shortages (we drove quite a lot earlier in the week, but had no problems) the French media seemed very intent on not giving the strikes or numerous protests any coverage at all, and I've been scouring the interwebs trying to find what had actually happened with zero results.

Hats off to the French Army and Police BTW, they responded within seconds.

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Kind of a breathless account there-Bataclan, adrenaline flowing freely, diving for the chapels, etc-it seems that if there was an incident anywhere approaching serious it would be easy to locate a story in the news about it. Is it possible that people's imaginations got the best of them here?

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We can confirm the poster's account of the events, We too were in the back of the Cathedral admiring the church's historical architectural display when panic ensued. We were trapped in the back of the church and told to remain there while the army entered the building and secured the facility. My wife daughter and I are from Canada and were with a family of friends from Wisconsin when the event ocurred. We too have been watching the news and checking the internet for an explanation. The church was closed afterwards and we have since speculated that there may have been an unattended bag in the church. It was a scary experience and would like to know the cause of the military action. If anyone knows why the lockdown and following evacuation occurred we would love to know.

The Benders

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Thank you both for posting your experience. We will be in Paris in a little over a week (myself, husband, and two teens, second trip to Paris), and have been paying close attention to all of the current events (flood, strike, Euro Cup, etc.) and how they might affect our trip. We won't be cancelling by any means, but hearing from tourists who are currently "in the thick of it" helps us to get a better idea of what the current climate is like.

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Scotty, I just shared with my wife what you had written and my response. If the lady you helped out was a 40 something (looks younger) blond, that was my wife. I never knew until now she had been knocked over and helped out.

If that was you, Thank-you for your act of kindness in a moment of craziness.

Regards,

Mike

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It wasn't Notre Dame but way back in 2009 we were on a street in Paris that was abruptly filled with a convoy of police and military vehicles and armed foot patrol ordering immediate clearing of the area. The Eiffel was also closed twice for threats during that week as was Gard du Nord when we were there to catch the Thalys to the Netherlands.

In all of these cases nothing came of it but it's good to be aware than you may be caught in the middle of some sort of precautionary police action. Best thing to do is to remain calm and follow orders...which we did. In the case of the train station, it was an unattended piece of baggage, and who knows about the rest. Chances are much, much greater than not that everything will be fine, and if there's someone near you who may need assistance, lend a hand.

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Supposedly they were brought in to evacuate due to the Seine surging its banks.

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Seine never left its banks. You need to know the configuration of the banks, walls, and the street level to understand what's going on with the water.

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I don't know Bets - scroll halfway down - see the pic of the bar owners sitting on their terrace - up to their waists!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/06/03/paris-floodwaters-expected-peak-friday/85333826/

"Nicolas Lefevre, 44, the owner of Les Nautes, a bar and restaurant on the Seine's right bank, said the water rose very quickly. "On Wednesday, we walked in and found that we could no longer access the bar — then we couldn't do much more. Our feet were in the water, I could not send my staff into the water," he said.
French owners Nicolas Lefevre and Thomas Roche sip
French owners Nicolas Lefevre and Thomas Roche sip wine on the flooded terrace of their restaurant Les Nautes after the Seine river overflowed its banks June 3, 2016. (Photo: Elena Copsidas)"

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This restaurants is below the walls that I think that Bets was referring to and is right on the river so it will flood before the Seine overflows its banks. You can see the banks and the walls that would have to flooded for the streets to flood above and to the right of the picture.

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I see... it left the primary bank but not the secondary higher walls. Still what a mess...

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So perhaps an unattended bag, maybe a phony bomb threat or some such thing. Glad nobody was hurt. I'm sure it was unnerving, and in my initial post it was not my intent to make light of the situation; it's understandable that people would get rattled easily. Maybe that was mike's wife that the OP helped-small world.


"Supposedly they were brought in to evacuate due to the Seine surging its banks."

Is there a citation for this? Just curious.

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That would make it a very small world indeed, Mike, but I do think she was blonde...a lot of people were trying to crowd past the gate and low fence around one of the chapels at the back of the cathedral...there were others pulling her up as well...I guess it's conditioning from all those Seattle punk rock shows I went to in the early 80's...someone gets knocked over, you pull 'em up quick lest they be trampled. Happy to help. Kind of scary though, wasn't it? I doubt it was an "unattended package", they were looking in everyone's bags as they came in, and that wouldn't explain the shouting and thumping noises we heard.

And BTW, outside of these few unsettling moments I never felt the slightest bit unsafe in France or Belgium, and wouldn't hesitate to head back.