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What’s your preference when flying, especially overseas?

Delta changed our flight times again. Not usually a huge deal-until it is….

This scenario has probably happened to you more than once, as it has to us, on many airlines, if you’ve been flying for over 40 years, as we have. So-posted below is what happened today and what we did to fix it.

It got me thinking about what all of you forum users do, what you prefer when flying, what gives you peace of mind, or do you just roll with it??

Here’s what happened to us. We always fly from our local, small market airport to a hub-usually it’s the New York City area. The planes are small and so are the overhead compartments. We always have a connecting flight. We plan our itinerary to allow enough time for connecting to our next flight. If the airline changes it, usually it’s no big deal.

BUT this time, we had booked an outgoing flight from our home airport, departing at 1 pm, connecting through JFK airport in NYC, for a flt departing at 4:45pm for Amsterdam. This is happening in April 2024, btw, with enough layover to not have to run to catch it, and not too early so we can sleep at home longer.

First, the airline changed our initial flight time to 11 am, no biggie. Then they changed it to 8 am. Not ideal, but still acceptable. Then it was changed to 5:18 am. So we called to get ourselves changed to a flight now leaving at 1:05 pm from our local airport. Same airline, and it took about 2-1/2 hours to change, mostly spent on hold. Note this is very close to our original itinerary. Also, we can’t change it ourselves online because we have a different class of service for the first flight versus the second flight. We’ve tried it in the recent past.

Since our flights aren’t until April, we realize this could change again.

The airline did not alert us to the latest change. My husband regularly checks the outbound flights and he noticed our flight wasn’t shown. Then he went to the Delta app and updated it and the new itinerary showed up.

We asked the Delta rep today whether the airline would notify us by email of any changes. We were told that the airline will not necessarily email their customers until about a month before the flight. So it can be good to keep an eye on it. Maybe in some markets it would still be possible to book yourselves onto a more favorable itinerary a month out, but in our experience, those seats would be unavailable or the flights full.

Because we care where we sit on the plane and want the more comfortable options (aging bones I guess), and we are in a small market with smaller planes, we like to get a jump on choosing the seats. Yes, more costly. Also, we like to be sure we have space in the overhead, though we pack light and our bags are half the size of the rollaboards most people use. The overheads are more compact on the smaller planes.

Other things impact our itineraries, over which we have no control.

1. Weather. In early April, it could blizzard, rain or be 90 degrees, or be 47 degrees(the average temp for that time of year).

  1. Changes in the industry Because of a shortage of air traffic controllers (retirements, etc.), the airports around NYC are all affected. So there aren't going to be as many options come January. Prices may rise.

  2. Airlines stop or change service. One of our favorite airlines will no longer have flights to our local airport. So we probably won’t be able to use them any more, and….
    Flights get changed or delayed or cancelled.

We do what we can to control the stuff within our control. We try to roll with it when we can’t.

What matters most to you when you fly? What does your typical or ideal flying routine include?

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Before Covid, each overseas trip always had some small glitch. No biggie just part of travel. After Covid, each overseas trip has had major glitches. It seems the new norm is to be prepared for changes because something is bound to happen. As you said “be ready to roll with it” it’s the new part of travel…..

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We love to travel but hate to fly. We very strongly prefer non-stops. Lucky we live in NY for that. Would always prefer to fly directly to the airport nearest our destination and then train the rest of the way rather than have a connection. Being retired helps since we're not in a hurry and flight times have become so unreliable. I don't like the rushed feeling of spending only one night in any destination so these days I am inclined to book two nights in the city we fly into and then take the train the third morning. The arrival day is kind of a wash for me since I don't sleep on planes and I'm also not a good jet-lagger. We don't have the youthful energy we used to have now but we have the extra days to travel slower.

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I regularly fly with Delta domestically and internationally. Almost all itinerary changes have been communicated by email whether it’s regarding just a few minutes or more significant schedule changes or whether it is route changes. The option to accept the changes or reschedule has always made available. Thankfully, contacting them by phone has not netted long waits. Their call back feature is also a time saver. Very sorry that you’re having these experiences but happy that they’ve made adjustments for you.

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What matters most when I fly after obviously price (or miles):
No budget airlines (including TAP as budget).
No more than one connecting flight.
If flying Europe to US, have the connecting flight in Europe.
I prefer a decent buffer in the layover, so I would take a 3 hour layover over a 1.5 hour layover.

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I agree with Marco's suggestions with one exception:

If flying Europe to US, have the connecting flight in Europe.

I traveled extensively in Europe for business during my career and I would often see my associates connecting flights from the UK or Europe to the US missed due to flight delays of the originating flights. To avoid this I learned to always fly to the US-bound airport (e.g. Frankfurt, Heathrow) the night before the flight home.

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The airline did not alert us to the latest change. My husband regularly checks the outbound flights and he noticed our flight wasn’t shown. Then he went to the Delta app and updated it and the new itinerary showed up.

We have never received an email or notification from Delta when they make changes. It's ridiculous. I've learned to check the app at least once a day (more when it gets closer to the flight day).

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I check the Delta app frequently also. Booked flight from DTW to JFK, my son is booked GSP to JFK stopping DTW to meet up. Both coach for short flight. JFK to London business and return CDG to JFK business, and the depart to home cities. Delta linked flights, currently have long layover JFK, son has 2.5 hour layover DTW. It’s a long day, but only way we could afford business class and it’s totally worth it to me.
Yes there are several chances something can go wrong, we know that. We have buffer days.

Best part of checking app frequently is click on change my flight. You can do it right in the app without calling. AND you can search new flight and if price has gone down, you get refunded the difference with an e-credit. I’ve been doing this for years. My credits for the two flights are over $350 and my son’s about $500. I just read you can set up a Google flight alert for your exact itinerary and if price goes down you will be notified.

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I always face a choice/debate between leaving from more local airports (I have two, each 1h15m in either direction, easy drive and cheap parking) and making connections—usually on small regional jets, or driving heading to JFK for direct flights (The dive is miserable, 2h30m minimum, and parking is expensive. Trains are an option—that takes 4 hours outbound, and can be nearly 6 getting home)

Unless the price saving is significant from JFK, I'd rather take connections out of the smaller airports.

Are you in Norhern VT? Do you ever look at driving to Montreal for non-stop options?

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I'm curious (really, not being backhanded) why you had to be on the phone to change a flight? It's been a really long time since haven't been able to make a routine flight change through an app/website, including Delta many times.

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”What matters most to you when you fly?”

  • Getting there safely.
  • Arriving on the day originally planned.
  • Feeling the best possible - no migraine from people’s perfume or cologne.

”What does your typical or ideal flying routine include?”

  • Comfort + bulkhead economy seat to hopefully avoid someone backing their seat into my face.
  • I try to always have 2 1/2 hours minimum for all airport connections, just in case.
  • Now that we live in Idaho, I have an extra flight to get anywhere. But our airport TSA is much faster than we had in Seattle & no checked luggage, so it’s quick.

FYI - I switched from a carry on 2-wheeled bag to a Cotopaxi 35L carry on nicely designed backpack because the small overhead bins on the small planes you also have to deal with were “almost” big enough for two wheeled bags placed length-to-length. I had two times where a passenger was trying to jam their suitcase into the bin, and it would have bent the bracket securing my wheels. It’s actually become a huge advantage because I love not having a wheeled bag anymore! It was a win-win incentive to really reduce the weight I was bringing to Europe, too.

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Hey Margie, yes, it’s been weird in many ways (not just in the travel world) since COVID, I’m sure the flight attendants and pilots have lots of stories…beyond the ones that make the news. The only constant is change….

Let’s Just Go : I can relate to the wish to fly direct and so many other points you made. I grew up near NYC and we used to taxi to the airport and we flew direct. Now we live in Northern VT and the airport is only 15 minutes away.

Claudia nice to fly direct, yup!

Hankand Jill
It’s a great option to change flights online. But when we tried to do it for this itinerary a few months ago, we could not select one type of service class for the first flight and a more expensive service class for the second flight. The more expensive option is not available on the first flight (BTV to JFK) because it’s a little plane and I didn’t want to downgrade to the lower priced option for the international leg. Tried several times to change the flights online and could not do it. So I had to call. Today I figured on saving myself going through 45 minutes trying to do the same thing only to have to call anyway.

Another reason I sometimes have to call for help is if I’m using miles for part or all of the flight and it needs to be changed (though that was typically with JetBlue).

Raymonelee-I agree, the callback feature is usually helpful. I opted for that today, on my first call. My wait time was supposed to be 23 minutes for the call back. After 45 minutes passed, I called again and decided to wait the 37 minute quoted time instead of opting for the call back. By then I figured it would take how long it took. Total time was 2-1/2 hours. Mostly waiting. But I was home and comfortable, could have been way more inconvenient. The agent was able to do what was needed, I have no complaints about the service.

Marco, I agree, a three hour layover is ideal. Seldom able to do that though. Flying to and from our small market means there are limited options. I usually opt for the five hour layover, but a 9-hour layover is just not acceptable, if we can avoid that.

Jkh and Mary thanks for your comments.

Scudder Yes, it’s nice to have the small airport so close by. Some of our family members do fly direct from Montreal or Boston. Both of those options require long drives, and these days I wouldn’t count on a trouble free border crossing with a time crunch like making a flight. Different strokes?

Texas Travel Mom Wow! I just read the thread from the link you posted. Though we prefer not to check luggage, I would definitely use AirTags or similar product for the reasons you described so well.
Your bags seem to have fun adventures😁!

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Jean,
I know what you mean about perfume or cologne or even just smelly food on board. Yuck! Although if the food smells good, I just get a little jealous….

I like your frankness regarding the seating, so tight when people recline, but it’s not their fault. It’s the airline making the space between seats too small that rankles. I know why—$$$$$$

We had to laugh because the tray tables on the recent JetBlue flights from JFK to BTV were rickety, multiple flights and different seats, so I’ve learned to make sure they operate correctly before placing a drink on them. I figure it’s because they use the older planes for the short distance routes like ours. Hoping they fix the important stuff that the pilots need. For our 45 -50 minute flight I can put up with a broken tv or tray table.

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Nonstop flights. Newer aircraft if possible. Pick flights that never arrive late at night.

For LGA departures, only early morning flights.

Bring PB & J sandwiches or bagel cream cheese in the morning. Always buy a liter of spring water at the airport. Never check a bag unless returning home.

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I live in Duluth, which has a small international airport, but I rarely fly out of there. I prefer to travel the 2 1/2 hours to Minneapolis precisely for the reason you were talking about. If flights get changed, it’s easier for me to change the airport shuttle from Duluth to MSP then a flight from Duluth. I can control the flights much easier if I fly out of a major airport.

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Heh. Overall, now with 12 transatlantic trips, I've found there was a glitch of some sort in at least half of them. Schedule changes are to be expected, and the airlines rarely notify you in a timely manner. That is why once I've booked, I check the booking myself every Sunday morning (schedule changes usually post on Saturdays).

We've just returned from a Christmas Markets boat tour on the Danube. We got caught in the Snowmageddon in Munich at the beginning of the month and were stuck and additional three days-- fortunately we we were able to extend out hotel room daily and rebook our final flight home daily:

03 Dec: KL1796 MUC-AMS, cancelled, rebooked as

04 Dec: LH2100 MUC-HAJ + KL1912 HAJ-AMS, cancelled, rebooked as

05 Dec: LH2302 MUC-AMS, cancelled, rebooked as

06 Dec: LH2310 MUC-AMS (9:00 PM), which finally departed 1 1/2 hours late. We finally got lights out at our hotel about 01:30, got up at 06:00 for DL179 AMS-PDX on the 7th.

I've now started applying with KLM for expense reimbursement (hotel, food) they are required to provide under EU law. We don't qualify for compensation, because the delays were weather-related.

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Mardee-It’s good to find a reliable method, as you have. I’ve had to fly BTV to CLT sometimes instead of BTV to JFK, not my favorite because the return flight doesn’t get me too close to home. But if we can get as far as NY, we know the route to drive home, if we had to do it, if something really weird happened. As in “Planes, Trains and Automobiles.”

Jean-I just saw the part of your note about the Cotopaxi bag. I have a backpack bag that opens clamshell style, similar in size to the Cotopaxi, it’s lightweight and has a built in packing cube on one side. I love traveling with it. Still tweaking my day bag. That’s a work in progress. Good that you solved an issue—fitting a bag into the overhead. I watch some people stuffing them in and then wrenching them out when they deplane. My shoulders and neck hurt just thinking about it.

Continental-how do you pick newer aircraft? That’s a good trick! Nice you live close to NY airports for direct flights.
I like bringing our own food, too, airport options are expensive. Our snacks are healthier and/or more delicious.
I used to buy water too, now I fill an empty bottle after going through security, and I bring ice through security (but not water). My carry-on bag must have a water bottle pocket.

AlanJ-wow!: I never knew this—

That is why once I've booked, I check the booking myself every Sunday morning (schedule changes usually post on Saturdays

Your Christmas Markets tour must have been beautiful. I’m sure the delays were trying, but I sure love snow and holiday lights(if I have the boots for it). I bet you got some nice pictures. Good luck with the reimbursements.

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We fly out of Detroit (DTW). I try to get non-stop if we can, no more than 1 change if not. We have learned to have a lay-over of no less than 2 hours. This applies when we fly west in the winter or anytime flying east. Especially at AMS. My wife traveled for work and has learned to dislike any of the New York area airports so we avoid those.
Regarding Delta changing flights. We usually are notified by email about changes and do not have an issue getting them changed back. However, our flight to Rome (FCO) last month with a connection in Boston was booked many months in advance. Comfort+ in the 2 seats on a 2-4(?)-2 plane. We do get notified of changes but it is usually a time change of a few minutes. We had a number of flights booked before our Rome flight so we were lulled into a sense of complacency anytime we received an email from Delta about a change to our flight to FCO. Well, I decided to actually read the whole email. I read that our connection had not only changed to fly out of JFK, but our seats were to the middle of the row within the 4 seat configuration. Not happy. Looked around the website and found our original flight was still available at darn near our original flight time from BOS but our originally booked seats were taken by someone else. We made the change. We checked back at some point before our flight and saw that seats 2A and 2B were available in Comfort+ again so we made the change online. A lot of nonsense to get us back to what we had originally booked. Lesson learned. We will now read about all of our changes no matter how many flights we have booked. I will also look on Sundays for any changes for our upcoming flight to Hawaii.

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Continental-how do you pick newer aircraft? That’s a good trick! Nice you live close to NY airports for direct flights.
I like bringing our own food, too, airport options are expensive. Our snacks are healthier and/or more delicious.
I used to buy water too, now I fill an empty bottle after going through security, and I bring ice through security (but not water). My carry-on bag must have a water bottle pocket.

It’s not a trick. I fly Delta almost exclusively and I know which aircraft is new and which isn’t. For example, Delta’s 767 fleet whether it’s the 300 or 400 are ancient. I do what I can to avoid them if possible. The A330s our newer especially the A330-900NEO. When airlines purchase aircraft, it’s in the business news. I also am a member of Flyertalk, a forum of business travelers & have been for over 20 years.

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We too love to travel and hate to fly. If we can get direct flights, that is always what we go with. And, I always try to do my connection if I have to have one in Europe, whether it is on the way to Europe or back to the US.

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‘Love to travel…..hate to fly’. So true. I used to have a fear of flying especially take offs, that fortunately has slowly gone away. But I’m still somewhat uneasy on flights and it must be why I can never sleep more than a 20 minute catnap if I’m lucky on the overseas flights. I live in the DFW area and it’s about a 20-30 minute drive to the airport on a good day. I fly American and can get nonstop to CDG and LHR and I’m willing to pay a little more to do that rather than Delta which does a lot out of DFW of course but 90% of the time means a stop in Atlanta.

I have to say almost every flight brings schedule changes these days but I do always get an email notification and so far, all the changes have been minor. Maybe American has a better automated system to kick out these notifications than other airlines?

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Ah, I'm in a similar boat as OP -3 hrs to the city, 3 hrs to Montreal, 3 hrs to Boston.

I drove to JFK during Covid for my AF direct to CDG; when I went back to CDG earlier in the year, Montreal was cheaper, so I drove then.

Next trip is in 3 months to CDG but I'm flying AA, got a steal out of JFK. But parking for a WEEK in Economy is up to $180, SO NO lol, I'm Amtraking down to LIRR to Air train and doing the reverse on the way back. i'm only 20 minutes from the Amtrak terminal, so that's $100 r/t between the train, LIRR and Air train, plus I can nap on the train.

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I fly United as their flights from SFO leave and arrive at times that work for me, and their hub airports are also favorable for most anywhere I like to go. I thought connecting in Frankfurt was ideal until this year when I went to Edinburgh--decided to try a layover in Dulles and was pleasantly surprised by how un-exhausted I felt upon arrival at EDI the next morning, so I might try that the next time I am going somewhere on the continent. Other than that, I like an aisle seat in economy a few rows back from the restroom.

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Continental - I never thought of that before. One of the perks of living close to a big city or to a hub is the ability to choose more options, either the type of plane or the time of day to travel.

AlanJ -Is it an industry wide decision to update on Saturdays, in your opinion, or just certain airlines?

I always like an aisle seat too, Christa, but in the front of the plane. With the connecting flights we like to get off the plane asap.

More than once we’ve had to run for our connections, when delays cause problems. We try not to schedule tight turnaround times, but sometimes we end up in that situation, with delayed flights. If the flight attendants are kind, and if we ask nicely, on the first flight, they can ask the pilot to contact the gate attendants for the connecting flight and they will wait a few more minutes if they see us running towards them. That was JetBlue. Not sure how Delta deals with connections.

John-oh gosh, it’s good you took a closer look at that email. My husband is better at checking than I am. He looks every week, that’s how he noticed what was going on with our flights.

jlkelman and jkh and Marco When you connect your overseas flights, do you carry-on or check luggage? I guess you get used to the security (European equivalent of TSA), and would you use the same airline for your connections?

Lyndash-American Airlines did a fantastic job with our first class splurge on a trip from BTV to ORD to PDX. Another time though, AA economy seats weren’t at all comfortable, maybe we got unlucky and had an old plane. I think of flying as a special kind of hell. I don’t sleep well on flights either. We are spending for the nicer Delta seats for the upcoming trip next spring, hope that helps. But I have my earbuds so I can watch movies if it doesn’t. My husband sleeps better on planes than me….anyway, it sucks to be worried and tired. Whatever we can do to ease the process is all to the good.

Skunklet1771-your location allows flexibility, that’s a plus. Napping on the train is great. I used to commute to the city using Metro North, usually I didn’t miss my stop! 😀

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AlanJ -Is it an industry wide decision to update on Saturdays, in your
opinion, or just certain airlines?
As far as I know it is common for the US carriers. IDK re: others.

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First of all, safety...that's a given. That matters the most. I look for the airline's dependability, comfort is of a lesser priority

I fly out of SFO...not really great, I'm used to it, pros and cons.

I fly non-stop, direct, dep 3-4 PM on the overnight flight, expect this flight in Basic Economy will take 11 hours by the time of arrival at 10 - 11 AM either in FRA or Paris CDG.

I sit in the rear, an aisle seat, don't want a window seat and obviously not the middle one, which I have had too.

Choosing a seat , that aisle seat, when booking means another 35 dollars wasted....that depends, one of the perfunctory unpleasantries one rolls with.

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My preference in flying overseas is a private Bombardier Global 7500.

That not being in my budget, my Plan B is the absolute cheapest ticket, dont care which airline they all will get me there (but costs being equal I prefer Turkish Air or Delta and detest Lufthansa and American), that lets me pick a seat when I purchase the ticket (center section aisle seat in as close to the front as possible) .... one stop, in Europe, (1.5 to 3.5 hours in most cases and not LHR or ChuckyD) .... baggage allowance not required, carry on is.

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Based on some recent pre-pandemic flights SFO to FRA on Lufthansa, I avoid the carrier too, no incentive flying with them, don't know anything about American.

I put up with the pros and cons of United flying out of SFO to Paris or FRA, at least one can guess what to expect in the negative sphere and roll with it.

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Fred and Mr É, my husband would definitely do what you do. Wish I could still tolerate the “cheap seats.” But this body can’t do it. I’m hopeful the extra expense of cushier, more spacious seats will result in my ability to move and walk well upon arrival in Europe.

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Only twice going over did I not fly Basic Economy, regardless what it is called, ie the cheapest seats and absolutely no frills. Coincidentally, these 2 times took place on Lufthansa SFO to Frankfurt., upgraded to Business class, pure luck and a pleasant experience too.

All other times trans-Atlantic it is non-stop , Basic Economy, 11 hours from SFO, the overnight flight. You get used to it, comfort and discomfort, esp. what to expect during its duration and the sleeping too.