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Trains in Spain for May 1 - am I looking too early?

We have an itinerary mapped out for an upcoming trip to Spain. Flying into Bilbao, heading to San Sebastian for 3 nights, then back to Bilbao for 3 nights before traveling to Segovia, and then Toledo and Madrid.

We were planning to take the train from Bilbao to Segovia on May 1, but all I am getting is "sold out" for May 1, no matter what website I use (Renfre, Trainline, etc). Also getting sold out for days on either side, which makes me think it isn't actually sold out, just not available to book yet. Anyone have any insight on this? I know May 1 is a holiday, but nothing I've read indicates many or any changes for transportation...

Posted by
2679 posts

I'm waiting for trains on similar days. They are randomly popping up for sale as I wait but some are definitely not bookable yet. For example, I have been able to buy Seville to Valencia on May 6th and Valencia to Madrid on May 9th. But I can't but Madrid to Bilbao on the 14th or Bilbao to Zaragoza on the 18th.

Posted by
2004 posts

You have figured it out— the tickets are not yet available to buy because Renfe has not yet loaded the tickets onto their computerized ticketing system,
It also says the trains are sold out for the entire month of April!
Regular Renfe trains are supposed to go on sale 60 days in advance, high-speed trains 90 days in advance. That is what Renfe claims is their policy.

Posted by
455 posts

Thanks Kenko! I kinda figured that was the issue, but the fact that it says "sold out" rather than "not available" even on Trainline made me wonder! I'll just keep checking every few days I guess. What a drag.

Posted by
2492 posts

The problem is that most bookingsystems first look up a train in the Europeanwide timetable database (MERITS) and then look for seats and prices in the reservation system.
The timetable is managed but the railway infrastructure companies. So say a railway books a slot for a train form A to B they usually do that for a whole year, or half a year, and the infrastructure manager uploads that in the timetable system. So the train is now visible.

But when the operator has not yet loaded seat inventory and ticket data in the reservation you do have the symptom of a train being visible but appearing "sold out". That is because the system dates from a time that train travel in Europe was actually quite different, and most systems cannot yet signal the difference between "sold out" and "not open for sale yet". some can, which is why you now get a message "this train will be bookable at dd.mm.yyyy" on DB for example.

But generally you can assume that trains do not sell out months in advance. They even do not sell out days in advance (except for sleepers). They would be useless if they did. Trains are mass transit, used by people going about their daily business. They're a fancier subway, not a ground level airline.

So yes, if you tray to book a train for May in March, and can't, you are just to early.