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Train vs. plane

Not an unusual question, but Paul takes things to an extreme when he decides to try and make a point about British train fares. Instead of taking the train from Edinburgh to London (oh no, that's too easy) he discovered it was probably cheaper to fly, but not just fly - he's taking KLM to Amsterdam and then transferring to London City!

I won't ruin it if you want to watch, and he admits it's a bit of a stunt but he is pretty steamed about fares. At the end he talks about tactics you can use to save some dough but it's a lot of work for the casual tourist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29-6riXM6Gg

Posted by
8683 posts

He also talks a load of garbage, and can produce any twaddle print out he chooses to. Quite simply wrong.
For a starter Avanti to Euston is very often the cheapest on direct trains to London, even if they take longer.
Secondly the only website to use to find the cheapest fares without paying commission is Scotrail, not LNER. If there is a fare split to be found Scotrail will find it and give that as first option.
It is now almost midnight. There are still cheap advance fares of £66 to £80 on even peak LNER business trains tomorrow morning. They will still be there until minutes before departure.
Thirdly it is against railway by- laws to start or end your journey short if booking from a distant station like Slateford in his example. His assertion otherwise is a simple lie, and unlawful. Yes it is very unlikely you will get caught, but that is not the same thing. If you are caught by chance you will get a criminal record if prosecuted.

Yes I get very steamed by people like him talking a can of rubbish. If he doesn't know better then he should. Then such untruths being repeated on forums such as this just makes it worse.

Don't believe everything you see on You Tube.

Posted by
938 posts

Goodness. All that effort just to save £3.64 and 17 minutes.

Posted by
2347 posts

… Or the money value of time. Giving up 17 minutes to have €3.64 more means he values his time at less than €15 per hour— less than the minimum wage.

Posted by
2649 posts

A woman in Cornwall needed to go to Manchester to get a car. The train fare was so expensive that she flew to Malaga in southern Spain & then flew to Manchester and it worked out cheaper due to the madness of the British Rail fares system. You may be able to read the BBC report on the woman’s trip here - but the BBC may block foreigners from reading it.

Incredibly, some through fares are dearer than splitting the journey into separate legs at places where the train stops (you stay on the same train) - or you change trains. Scotrail (as mentioned above) is an excellent site for finding a split and it does not charge commission. However, Scotrail only finds you ONE split and on some journeys, multiple splits work out even cheaper.

Let us take as an example a journey that many foreign tourists like to take - Bath to York. Now, you could go via London but that involves getting from Paddington to King’s Cross. An easier way of doing it is to go on the 15 minute journey from Bath to Bristol Temple Meads and then take a direct Cross Country Train to York. So. let's assume we are going to do that journey on Thursday 27 February and we put in to depart Bath at 9.30am. It so happens that we can leave Bath at 9.48 (for Bristol & change of train) to arrive York at 14.30.

If we were to book direct with the train company > https://www.crosscountrytrains.co.uk/ it will cost a whopping £111.00 for what they call a Super Off Peak Single. (It would be £151.70 return if made off peak. So, they rip us off if just going one way).

Now for the split ticket sites:>
https://www.buytickets.scotrail.co.uk tells me that the price is £89.70.
https://www.traintickets.com/?/ tells me that it will cost £66.37 (with 4 tickets).
https://trainsplit.com comes up with a price of £66.38
So, both the multi split sites are much cheaper than Scotrail despite charging 15% commission on the amount saved on the through ticket price. (These fares gathered at 7.30am UK time on 11 February so could vary in time).

Remember - all the above prices are for using exactly the same trains on the same date/timings. You could be paying £44.63 more by using the actual train company site or www.nationalrail.co.uk - buyer beware!

In the UK, a man called Martin Lewis has a TV show and gives excellent financial advice on ways to save money. Here is the link to his website regarding train fares:> https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/travel/cheap-train-tickets/

Posted by
16692 posts

I saw that video shortly after he posted it.

He admitted it was more of a stunt than anything else because if he really wanted to find an alternate to the train, he could have:

--flown direct from Edinburgh to London on Ryanair or Easyjet for as little as 20 GBP plus local transport;

--looked at train fares on Lumo or split tickets;

--Coach services from numerous bus companies.

Posted by
4950 posts

It was just his unusual spin on train vs. plane, which is another subject that vloggers love to do since they can make a race out of it and run a timer and create some tension. London to Edinburgh, London to Paris, etc. Top Gear got a lot of mileage (pun intended) over such "races."

But Paul certainly has feelings about train fares.