train pass- should I buy?

Hi I was wondering if pre-booking the flights separately is better, or buying a train pass is better. I will be travelling with my sister together all the time, and we are students. I noticed there are youth passes. However, i will be taking 2 sleeper trains that I will need to pre-book.

The trains I will need are:
London->Paris
Paris->Barcharach sleeper
Koblenz->Munich sleeper
Munich->Lucerne
Lucerne->Engelberg
Engelberg->Milan
Milan->Verona
Verona->Venice
Venice->Florence

Its England, France, Germany, Switzerland and Italy.

Also, what is the average train cost for Koblenz to Munich? When I searched it up online, the sleepers are cheaper for some reason... is 151 Euros for 2 people for a couchette a reasonable price?

Thank you!!!!

Posted by Sam
Green Bay
3794 posts

Ditto Paris-Bacharach. It can be done in 5 hours and 12 minutes. No need to for a night train. There is no pass that works on the London-Paris Eurostar, but advance purchase nonrefundable tickets can be reasonable. Italian trains can be cheap as well. Cheaper if you prebook.

Posted by Lee
Lakewood, Colorado
12627 posts

"...is 151 Euros for 2 people for a couchette a reasonable price?"

If you are talking about the cost of a "reservation" (additional surcharge for accommodations) along with a railpass, 65€ for two in a 6 person couchette would be the reasonable price.

Without a railpass, the advance purchase price for two would be 120€. That would include both the rail ticket and the accommodations.

Posted by Laura
Rick Steves' Europe
6852 posts

The price of point-to-point tickets can depend on how early you buy them, locking in travel dates and times. For an easy overview of regular fares, see Rick's Train Cost & Time Map. London-Paris always requires a separate ticket, which should be bought early for best price.

With a rail pass, booking ahead for the Paris-Germany leg is also important, since the faster French trains restrict the number of places for pass holders. If you travel Paris-Koeln on a Thalys-brand train via Belgium, the seat reservation with a pass that includes Belgium is about $50. From Paris to another change point near the German border (Stuttgart, Kaiserslautern) has a more normal seat reservation fee of about $14 and doesn't cross another country. Other German and Swiss day trains don't need reservations and Italian reservations can be made locally on short notice.

If you're going for a 4-country Select pass covering France, Germany, Switzerland, and Italy, then it is not valid for Thalys trains across Belgium (so choose the other route) and you'd also have to buy a ticket for any small incursion you might make into Austria. Cost for a youth pass is currently $404 per person for 6 days or $471 for 8 days of travel within 2 months. A pass also covers K-D Rhine and Mosel boats and Swiss lake boats on the same days that you use for trains; and gives you 25% discounts on many Swiss mountain lifts (without using a travel day).

For trains within Germany, you can book sleepers through the usual DB schedule link and during the process, select "book only extra charge."