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Railpass...Information Overload. Help!

Along with 2 others (ages 25, 25, & 60) I will be flying from JFK into London and starting a 10 day trip by train (early July). Tentative route: London, Paris, Zurich, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Brussels and then back to London (before heading home and doing the stopover in Iceland). I've found lots of detailed info. on railpass options. Route planning sites, Rick Steves' pass selection guide, message boards etc. Each one points me in a different direction. It's overwhelming & by reaching out I hope to get advice on the necessity of railpass. The Saverpass seems smart but I'm still not sure...

Thank you!

Posted by
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The best place to get rail schedules is on the German Rail website. You can get prices for travel in Germany and to/from Germany to a location outside of Germany, but rarely for legs entirely outside of Germany.

Figure out your travel times. I see 6 connections in 10 days. Many of them are short, but you're still planning on spending a lot of time in transit. Do you actually plan on see anything but trains.

A Eurail pass will cover your Paris to Brussels part, but the pass will only get you a discount, not complete coverage, for London to Paris and back. You can probably get those for less by going directly to the EuroStar website.

If you do decide on a pass, compare two youth passes (2nd class) plus one full adult pass vs three Saver passes.

Posted by
4132 posts

Well, a rail pass certainly isn't a "necessity."

Unfortunately there's no way I know of to calculate the cost of the alternative other than the brute-force method of going to the nation rail websites and seeing what the alternatives cost.

I would look into open-jaws itineraries; a shame to spend all that time and money just to get back to London to catch a flight back.

And five major destinations in ten days--you really might want to re-think that. (You'll see more by traveling less.)

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I see four legs of travel from Paris to Brussels. Unfortunately, a Eurail Select pass is for five days, minimum. Three 4 country, 5 days passes (one individual, 2 youth) will cost you $1174, or about €72 per person per day, in 2nd class. For Amsterdam to Brussels, a Mid-Flex ticket (purchased the day before) is €54, 2nd cl. If you book now, online, with the Bahn, you can probably find Europa-Spezial fares for €39 per person for Zürich to Frankfurt and for Frankfurt to Amsterdam, also 2nd cl. I would check into those possibilities before springing for rail passes.

Posted by
313 posts

Danielle, we only used a saver pass for our first trip to Europe. I don't regret it, as it was one less thing to think about and gave us leeway in case we had miscalculated something (ensured we wouldn't miss a pre-purchased train, and would only be out any mandatory reservation fee). But even on the first trip I realized how much we overpaid for that sense of security, and by the end of the trip I was more than comfortable with navigating European trains in Germany and Italy.

For all trips since, we've prepurchased tickets that have a sizeable discount and that we're sure we will be able to meet the schedule. For the short runs or when we aren't so sure of timing or whether we'll want to linger, we just buy at the station.

As the others have alluded to, though, as you're looking at the timetables to figure out the cost of the trains, don't forget to keep track of the amount of transit time. (E.g., by the time you get to the station in Paris, find your train to Zurich, the length of the actual train journey, how much time will be left in Zurich, etc.) It really does add up.

Even though some of these are shorter trips, a journey usually eats up about half a day, and with 10 days and 6 cities, that's little more than a day left in some of the major cities of the world.

In the end, you know what you want to accomplish, but I would want to make sure you see cities, and not just whizzing-by countryside. :>)

Posted by
16385 posts

That is a lot of train travel for 10 days. You have 6 journeys (assuming you return to London) and some of them are 4.5 to 5 hours long. Add time getting to and trom the station, checking in at your hotel, packing and unpacking, and you have very little time left to enjoy those places you list.

You might think about cutting out at least one city (like Zurich) before you nail down your train plans.

And I agree with the above that a pass doesn't make sense for a trip like this. For one thing, they are only available in 1st class for the older people, while the youths can get a break and travel in 2d---but then you won't be together.

From London to Paris, you can get very good rates on the Eurostar for youths (around $75 or so) and also for seniors. This travel isn't covered on a railpass anyway.

Posted by
6663 posts

Lola's making lots of sense, Danielle.

I would maybe consider London, Paris, and one other place in the time you have. You could maybe get away with one night in Brussels on the way to, say, Amsterdam. But I think I'd skip Amsterdam and do Brussels and adorable Bruges instead.

I'd look into a 4-day Benelux-France railpass ($267 in the saver version.) Then fly Easy Jet (fares sometimes around $50 or less) between London and Paris and Eurostar from Brussels to London.

If you can miraculously slip into Germany as well, then visit the Mosel River area near the French and Belgian borders to save yourself some ground travel time and expense. You can all travel on one Laender Ticket (under 30 Euros) from the French Border along the Mosel to Trier and/or Cochem.

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Eurostar isn't on any pass, but there is a pass rate for passholders--either British or Eurrail.

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3580 posts

The Railpasses tab at the top of this page will take you to a lot of info re railpasses, etc.