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Paris to London - Eurostar is EXPENSIVE!

Forget I ever brought it up, okay?

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However on Ryanair you will need to pay for luggage ( which is usually 30 plus dollars if you pre book it with your flight - at airport if you need to check in bag you’ll pay way more ) and for seat assignment - on Eurostar you can take as much luggage as you can handle yourself and choose your seat is included in fare )

Also no liquid restrictions on Eurostar. Bring a bottle of wine and a picnic lunch - and you arrive city center- whereas if you fly to London you must then add the cost of your commute into city ( which depending on where you land can be another 15-35 gbps for trains and 70-100 for car or taxi )

Posted by
23967 posts

Don't complain about $75 (US Dollars or somebody else's like Canadian or Australian??). Walk up fares get up into £200 or more. Each way. Get it ahead and save.

£75 UK Pounds is pretty good for a Return Eurostar ticket.

Posted by
6248 posts

Airline pricing is not based solely on distances, and comparing train and airline pricing for different itineraries is "apples to oranges". There's no predictive relationship between a $40 Ryan Air flight from Nice to London versus what you'd have to pay coming from Paris - either on a train or a plane. Two different itineraries, different variables involved in pricing (timing, discounts, etc.)

$75 round trip fare on a fast, comfortable train while crossing country boundaries is "expensive" compared to.....what? Have you ever ridden Amtrak?

Posted by
4065 posts

Supply and demand impact on prices. It will cost you more to get to and from the airport, whereas trains run from the city centres.

That rail fare is cheap - travelling from my local train station in Kent into London tomorrow morning, a journey of about 50 minutes will cost £35 ($43) return.

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@ Agnes

$75 round trip fare on a fast, comfortable train while crossing
country boundaries is "expensive"? Have you ever ridden Amtrak?

Funny you ask, because last year I took a cross-country trip on Amtrak (Atlanta --> Washington, DC --> Chicago --> Denver) It is nothing like the European train system, but I actually loved that trip! Of course I had the sleeper car, so between cities we'd travel at night, comfy and cozy in our little compartment, and then we'd have several hours layover during the day so we could sight-see in DC and Chicago (and we could stow our luggage in the Amtrak lounge at the stations.)

But yeah, while I don't think $75 is too outrageous, it does strike me as expensive when you compare it to the flight from Nice. The last time I did the Paris <--> London route was 40 years ago, and we did it by train/Hovercraft/train.

Posted by
2522 posts

RyanAir didn’t have to dig a tunnel under the English Channel!

Posted by
230 posts

Well ya'll did make some good points, which I didn't consider, which is that you have to pay for your bag on Ryanair, plus get transport from Stansted airport into London which I think is a pretty good distance, right?

Posted by
2537 posts

As for disparity in prices from city to city, don't forget that those prices also include taxes and landing fees which can differ significantly from airport to airport.

Even supposing your friend could get a cheap flight, he would still have a cost to get to the airport in Nice, and from the airport into the city- so figure that into the trip cost. Whereas the train is city center to city center.

The Eurostar price is the Eurostar price, and it's the only train between Paris and London. The price will only increase as your date nears. I don't know what kind of workaround you want.

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@ CJean

Where are you finding Ryanair flights between Nice and Paris? I can't
find any. And the cheapest flights I've seen on Easyjet have been more
than double that.

There is a Ryanair flight on Oct 11-13 leaving at 22:55 for $39 round trip I found this on Rome2Rio, and I think this is the very flight my friend booked.

The price will only increase as your date nears. I don't know what
kind of workaround you want.

By workaround, I wondered if there was another airport not too far from Paris where I could get a super cheap flight like he got. I don't HAVE to leave from Paris, but somewhere in the vicinity. Anyway, I went ahead and booked a one-way trip to London on the Eurostar for $56 (because I won't be going back to Paris, and want to book my return to France separately.) It's all good, just surprising that the flight from Nice was so cheap, that's all!

Posted by
393 posts

Are we really having a discussion about how to save $35 on a round trip?

Think about this for 1 minute. The cost of getting to and from the cheap Airport (if it exists) is going to be that much.

Not counting the time it will take, What is a day of you trip worth?

I am not trying to be nasty but this is the most penny wise dollar foolish discussion I have seen in this forum.

Even if it is 150 round trip you are looking at a difference of 110 max. Then you pay for luggage, and a much longer trip out of Paris. A trip from the airport then reverse this on the way back. If you call the Paris to Cheap airport $20 more then getting to the train station and the trip in London from the airport $10 you are talking a total of $60. So you are now saving at MOST $50. And possibly losing $25. And you need longer to get to and from said airports. Probably at least an hour in Paris and a half (being generous) so you are spending at least 3 extra hours and probably closer to 6 in order to save $50

And all this on a trip to Europe that undoubtedly costs several thousand to start with.

Frankly this is ridiculous.

Posted by
11440 posts

You’re still not figuring in the airport commute costs .

Do not fly into Beauvais airport , it calls it self a Paris airport but it is 90 km away and no direct train into city , must bus and train - about an hour at least if not more depending on option - and taxi would be very $$ .

Choose Orly or Charle de Gaulle .

Posted by
585 posts

I went ahead and booked a one-way trip to London on the Eurostar for $56 (because I won't be going back to Paris, and want to book my return to France separately.)

The OP has decided on the Eurostar!

Posted by
230 posts

@ douglasjmeyer

I am not trying to be nasty but this is the most penny wise dollar
foolish discussion I have seen in this forum.. Frankly this is
ridiculous

Actually, your comment is nasty and even downright rude. It's just an observation I'm making here - a "Wow, I can't believe it costs so much more to go to London from Paris than from Nice!" kind of comment. Heck, if I could jump on a plane for $39 and be there in half the time, I'd do it! I could just as easily fly out of any airport in northern France as I could take the Eurostar from Gare du Nord in Paris - especially if it would be quicker and cheaper. It's just a thought, that's all.

If you think the discussion is "ridiculous," then please just move along, no need to ridicule other people.

Thank you.

Posted by
5887 posts

The question isn’t why is Eurostar so “expensive”, it’s why is Ryanair so cheap.

Posted by
5623 posts

Are we really having a discussion about how to save $35 on a round trip?

What Douglas said.

The whole point is that you could NOT fly “as cheaply and easily” from somewhere in northern France to London. You would have to haul yourself out to Beauvais and by the time you are out there and checked in, you could already be in London from central Paris/Gare du Nord.

I am glad you decided to go with eurostar. As for not liking the responses you got, well you did ask.

The question isn’t why is Eurostar so “expensive”, it’s why is Ryanair so cheap.

Emma’s point is also well taken. Carbon emissions alone should cost more than the Ryanair flight.

Posted by
12139 posts

If the EuroStar Paris to London is between $120 to $150 round trip, the cheapest possible, I'll take it.

Either way in Paris or London, I just walk over to the hotel or the B&B in Kings Cross. No extra spelling for a taxi, and then only under dire circumstances, or the bus or Metro as i stay in Gare du Nord, just walk over.

No need for Ryan.

Good decision to book EuroStar. Forget the flying option.

You take the train from Beauvais to Gard du Nord, I did that a few years back from Paris as a day trip to Beavais.

Posted by
4706 posts

And even if you don't buy the upgrades, the base product on Eurostar is "luxury" travel beside Ryanair. More seat pitch, more seat width, better air circulation, more space to work or eat. Now, IF Ryanair went to CDG, you'd be right at the rail station to continue. But Ryanair doesn't.

The fact is that London and Nice don't pair particularly well on the same trip. I've taken the Eurostar several times, both to Paris and to Brussels, and I also think $75 is a bargain. The reason you are so offended is because some of us feel your OP musings are naive. Live and learn. Don't forget to allow 30-45 minutes for immigration formalities before any Eurostar boarding into or out of the UK. After (if ever) Brexit, maybe more.

Posted by
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@ Tim

Thank you. And some people (maybe not you, but some) kind of take what I'm saying a little too seriously. This was really more like "OMG, look how cheaply you can fly from Nice! Especially compared to the Eurostar!" And also my French friend is kind of rubbing it in (in a good-natured way, of course) that he can fly from Nice for HALF the price that I can take a train from Paris.

I've traveled all over France on my own and taken trains, buses, cars, and ferries. Maybe I'm "naive" about why Ryanair is so cheap, but for me it was kind of a shock, that's all. And I was just half wondering (not a big deal, just wondering) if there was some little out-of-the-way airport near Paris where I could hop on and be in London in an hour for $30. Again no big deal, just wondering.

Thanks :)

Posted by
2537 posts

just wondering) if there was some little out-of-the-way airport near
Paris where I could hop on and be in London in an hour for $30

There isn't. And even if there was, you'd have to spend time and money to get to that little airport, and then spend more time and money to get from the other airport into London. So your 1 hour $30 flight has now cost you at least 4-5 hours minimum and likely twice as many dollars.

Posted by
230 posts

I guess I didn't explain this initially, but I don't necessarily HAVE to leave from Paris. I will generally be tooling around northern France the week before I go to London and I just figured Paris was the logical place to take the Eurostar to London so that is how I planned it. Also, the weekend in London was kind of a late addition to my itinerary, it wasn't part of my original plan so I hadn't done any pre-planning on how I'd get there. It was just, "Oh, let's go to London for the weekend!" and adding a little extra cost to the budget for my trip.

Posted by
6511 posts

Anyone know a workaround on this one?

Grow wings? Walk?

If you were going from SF to LA would $75 seem unreasonable? ( or Atlanta to Mobile?)

Posted by
12139 posts

In the last ten years I've done SF to LA by Greyhound a few times r/t, but I can't remember the exact price paid.

On Euro Star I think the cheapest I've paid r/t was $98 since 2009, depending if I took a more expensive fare at a certain departure , say at 10 am instead of one, say at 7 am. There were times when I did not select the cheapest departure times but rather one a bit more convenient.

Posted by
4482 posts

I can't remember a regular bookable Eurostar seat being sold for less than £29. A Snap ticket is available from £25 (which these days is less than $30!) but you don't know until 48 hours beforehand what the time is, which is not of use to those who like to plan.

Posted by
6949 posts

Since you changed the OP and want to forget about it, you have the ability to delete the whole thread if you want.

Posted by
23967 posts

What a shame. There was some good learning here.