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Norwegian Problem, and how to best recover money, including EC 261

I don't often have a problem. My new DIL (mid-20s) is off to Rome for semester abroad. She arranged her round-trip with Norwegian, both to save money and it is a direct flight, even though this meant having to fly in and out of Newark rather than from Philly where we are. Flight was to have been late Sunday evening. They are most of the way to Newark when she gets the text that flight is cancelled. Rebooking instructions for a 1AM flight, of course she can't get through. Airport counter is a mad-house, several hour line. Ultimately the are all put on a plane Norwegian brings in, although it has a flight number I can't find any evidence of this being a regular Norwegian flight. DY 7954, best I can find out is this is a plane they brought in from Wamos Air. Leaves 7 1/2 hours late (or, if you want, 5 1/2 hours later than the new 1 AM departure they claimed), Where does this special plane go? Copenhagen! Not only does she have to get lodging for last night, but they also made her pay up front for flight out today to Rome, which she had already paid for (luckily she will still be on-time for her first group meeting, as she gave herself an extra day). What is even more infuriating is they knew as early as midday here that there was a major problem for this flight, as in the Rome to Newark flight that day was cancelled, so there was no plane here to go to Rome, It is beyond me that they did not notify passengers immediately.

They do tell her to get all receipts for the expenses.

I don't want to helicopter this for my kids, but I do want to advise my otherwise competent son (a civil engineer here) how to process getting their money back from Norwegian and also how to get EC 2621 compensation. We would not bother with this latter step had they done something logical and flown the replacement plane to Rome, even if late. Nor if they had not made her pay up-front to then fly to Rome, even though this is supposed to be refunded. I had quickly read enough reports of Norwegian trying to ignore complaints forever, and I suspect the payment up front is in the hopes people would forget to file for the refunds. DIL will be busy abroad for 4 months, so my son here will be processing this. I really fear feet-dragging and refusals here .I don't want to have to bug Christopher Elliot's group on this if my son can get through this, and I don't want him to have to get a lawyer. I don't know how being here in the US complicates an EC 261 claim.

As an aside, had DIL told us of her planned flight, we would have made up the difference to have her take a real airline, we are already in the fortunate position of being her bank for her school loans. Worse, our son bought the same flight, against my advice, to visit her in March, and I fear for his travel issues.

As usual, TIA for anyone who posts info, so I don;t have to fill this with individual thank-yous.

Posted by
5849 posts

Your daughter-in-law should file the claim with Norwegian following their process first.
https://www.norwegian.com/us/booking/booking-information/legal/your-passenger-rights/

Before you get too stressed about this, situations like this happen even with the major carriers. I got caught up in a British Airways (BA) system-wide computer malfunction that wreaked havoc on travel via BA for days. Because BA was unable to help me with an alternate flight in a timely manner, I booked my own flight on an alternate airline and filed for a refund of my ticket plus EU261 compensation. Filing the claim took about 5 minutes via a form submitted online. It took about 2 months to receive the compensation.

Posted by
2857 posts

Thanks, both, Re flyertalk, something about that site practically immobilized my browser, hoepefully my son won't ahve that issue.
Laura -that's the way it SHOULD work, but I had already read too many complaints about Norwegian dragging their feet in other cases. Why did she have to pay up front to get to Rome from Copenhagen when it clearly would have to be refunded later, and clearly was the completion of their contract? Why was the replacement plane even taking them to Copenhagen? Norwegian doesn't fly to Copenhagen from Newark, only to Rome or Barcelona, if you want to go to Copenhagen from Newark with them, you have to fly to Barcelona and connect! There was in fact a Norwegian flight JFK-CPH late Sunday night, but it flew, this was not for them. Yes, this happens with major carriers, but they handle it better. Luckily there has been only one time when we have had flight problems. It was Lufthansa, we were due to fly at 4:45 PM from here, when I woke that morning they had already informed me of a delay, because they knew the plane coming here was delayed leaving Frankfurt. Norwegian only knew that the plane coming here from Rome was not coming when it was within an hour of when it was supposed to land? Per the flight-trackers, it had been cancelled and never got off the ground. I am astonished by the lack of professionalism and respect for the passengers that Norwegian has shown on this so far, and fear they will do whatever to avoid their obligations.

Posted by
5849 posts

Larry, I completely understand the frustration. I don't understand why they flew her to Copenhagen or made her buy a ticket to Rome either, but at least she got to her destination. I used to think that the major airlines handled these types of incidents better, but after my recent experience with BA I am not so sure. Regardless, she needs to complete Norwegian's process and give them a chance to process the claim. Hopefully, they will address the situation in a reasonable timeframe and reimburse all her expenses and pay the compensation.

Posted by
2857 posts

Thanks for your nice words, Laura. My son come in over the weekend and we will go through this together, he should have all the copies of what she has via email and I can help him do this for her. After all, he is an engineer!

I'll keep the community posted as to how long this ultimately takes.

Posted by
5541 posts

I also have a problem with Flyertalk freezing my browser. I've put it down to my Adblock software so I'm reluctant to disable it as it appears there's substantial advertising or other hidden data mining going on.

The reason for landing at Copenhagen could be due to a variety of factors. Low fuel may be one of them, the budget carriers are known to use the bare minimum of fuel, strong headwinds may have resulted in a higher consumption than expected. Or it may be that the pilots and/or cabin crew would exceed their working time limits if they continued to Rome. This is often a problem when flights are delayed. The airline are responsible for placing you on the next available flight to your destination, it is not down to you to pay the cost and have it refunded.

I currently have a claim ongoing with BA who are trying to squirm their way out of it (I had a similar experience with Virgin but in the end they rolled over). If BA insist on refusing my claim then I will likely use the services of many of the online claim companies who take a percentage of the compensation (25% I believe is average). They've already refunded my taxi fare and given each of us a £100 voucher off a next flight (the cynic in me presumes that this is to lessen the prospect of people making a EC 2621 claim).

Posted by
7054 posts

I wouldn't stress over this. Let the process play itself out. You're awfully nice to get involved here but I'm pretty sure your adult son and DIL can handle this...life is full of inconveniences like this and everyone needs patience and experience just to roll with it. Getting a lawyer is overkill and the cost would outweigh any benefits. My parents have flown Norwegian several times and no complaints. It is a "real airline", and certainly not the only one to get bad reviews. I agree with Laura that this can happen on any carrier - the lack of notification has happened to me before as well on several airlines. As much as you say you don't want to be a helicopter parent, it sure sounds like you're highly involved in everything big and small. My advice: Relax, step back, let the kids deal with these minor issues.

Posted by
1888 posts

I would suggest that you keep good records of all your correspondence with Norwegian. It can be important proof to show that you met timelines and provided all required documentation. As such email may be better than phone calls to show the paper trail.

Good luck