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Is this a sign of the times.....

I wasn't too surprised to see this item in the news today.....

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65687665

I suspect other European countries will also do this at some point. Fortunately they have an excellent network of electrified rail systems.

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19092 posts

Considering the time to get to an airport ahead of departure time, loading time, flight time, deplaning time, and getting to your destination, who in their right mind would take a plane when the time by train is less than 2½ hours. OK, I guess someone who lived near the airport, was willing to take a chance on boarding in less time, and was going to somewhere near the airport. But realistically, not many people.

I doubt that many people were doing it anyway. So, in a way, I guess this is something of a symbolic ban.

Posted by
2945 posts

I agree with Lee. I hope the train capacity rises to meet the need left by fewer flights.

The only issue could be the cost, but I don't know.

Posted by
1825 posts

I always prefer a train to an airplane for short flights. I understand their reasoning about the carbon emissions, but as others said I hope they increase train capacity to make up for it. Thanks for posting, Ken

Posted by
1671 posts

Symbolic and another example of government over reach into the private sector. Maybe those airline employees who will be laid off can get government jobs.

Posted by
17920 posts

France is somewhat unique. All the trains are electric and 70% of the electricity is derived from nuclear power plants. So, the carbon foot print reduction is substantial.

Posted by
15007 posts

I remember the old Eastern Airlines shuttle between NY, Boston and Washington DC. It left every hour and no reservations were needed. You just showed up. If the first plane was full, another was waiting. You didn't even have to check in. Just show up at the gate. No security. (Remember those days.)

But now, with security and having to get to the airport, it's easier, it's not much longer downtown to downtown, to take the train between those cities. Unfortunately, it's the only area of the country that has frequent train service.

But it makes sense.

Posted by
11180 posts

The article states flights for 'connecting' passengers will be permitted, I wonder how many fewer flights there will be.

And this news flash--- " In order to conserve water, residents of Calif. and Arizona must use one less gallon on water in their swimming pools"

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19092 posts

All the trains are electric and 70% of the electricity is derived from
nuclear power plants

As former worker in the nuclear industry, I hope to see electricity from renewable sources, not nulear, predominate.

From the Bahn website,

Since the beginning of 2018, all our customers travel on our ICE, IC and EC trains within Germany by 100% renewable power.

Posted by
512 posts

Threadwear, given the amount of ‘government (taxpayer) money Air France has received in recent years, your so called private sector hasn’t actually been managing terribly well. One could say some AF employees are already ‘government’ workers given this funding.

Posted by
4156 posts

Another person here who finds train travel for short distances much faster, much more efficient and much more pleasant than flying.

Trying. To. Not. Jump. To. The. Colorado. River. Bait. 😬

Posted by
17920 posts

Lee, actually my statement was:

France is somewhat unique. All the trains are electric and 70% of the
electricity is derived from nuclear power plants.

Add to that 25% renewable and France does a good job at limiting carbon.

And as you said, Bahn trains in Germany apparently do run on renewable energy. But even that is a shell game as renewable, or coal produced, it all ends up in the same bucket (unless Germany runs a seperate distribution network for their trains - maybe? What do i know?). If its like the US, you pay extra for the electricity for the privilege of saying you bought the renewable juice running in the wires as the coal produced juice.

Germany does claim 46% renewable, but there is also some French nuclear power running through the German lines. Its all interesting if you are an environmentally conscious travel consumer.

Oh, I wouldnt fly a 3 hour train ride either. 5 hour, yes, plane every time. I have a 16+ hour train ride planned in June and sure not looking forward to it; but no options.

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unless Germany runs a seperate distribution network for their trains -
maybe? What do i know?

Actually they do. The electricity to German trains is provided by DB Energie that has their own 16,7 Hz grid (unlike the regular national grid that runs at 50 Hz) and their own power plants.