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Eurail special sale vs point to point

I am trying to figure out our general transportation plan for a trip next May - June, so I can start booking lodging. I have seen a number of comments in the forum from people claiming Eurail passes are rarely a good value, but I am having a hard time finding exact prices for our point-to-point needs, and I am not sure what kind of Eurail prices people are thinking of when they say they are not worth it. Right now, there is a special sale on Eurail passes and I am wondering if it could be a good deal for us.

We are a family of four (two adults, one teen, one child). We will be traveling in the Netherlands, France, Switzerland, and Germany over the course of four weeks. We could get a four-country select pass, but right now there is a sale on global passes. The one that would work for us -- five days of travel in a month -- would be $867 for all four of us (35% less than usual price; this sale ends Sept. 17th). From what I have been able to figure out of the various point-to-point prices, this would save us money, but I would be curious to know if others have additional insights, and also thoughts on how often specials like this come up.

I am assuming the rail travel we would do within cities or for short day trips from cities would be on local lines that would not be covered on Eurail, so I am not considering those for the five travel days.

Specific travel plans for the alloted five travel days are:
Travel day 1: from Amsterdam to Aaras, France (hope to be able to stop and explore in Brussels for a few hours).
We would then rent a car for a few days for time in Normandy, and return the car in Caen.
Travel day 2: train from Caen into Paris (could buy these tickets separately, if we need the five travel days for longer trips, but I don't think we do.)
Travel day 3: Paris to Lauterbrunnen, Switzerland (I am especially confused about the Switzerland part. I know cable cars are not included in Eurail pass, though the pass should give us a 25% discount, and from what I understand, the days of using the disount do not count as one of your travel days. We hope to stay in and near Lauterbrunnen and hike, so I don't think we'll need a separate Swiss pass or half fare card.)
Travel day 4: Lauterbrunnen to Munich. We would rent a car the day we leave Munich to do some exploring in the Rhine river area.
Travel day 5: After returning rental car (maybe in Trier, maybe in Frankfort), take train back to Amsterdam to get flight home. (We already have round-trip tickets in and out of Amsterdam.)

Posted by
5507 posts

I highly suggest two things -

  1. Visit the Man in Seat 61 website for information on fares and unbiased feedback on passes vs. point to point.

  2. Do not use the Rail Europe or Rick Steves site to calculate point to point fares.

Posted by
23626 posts

....... but I am having a hard time finding exact prices for our point-to-point needs, ......... It is easy to find p2p prices. Just go to the national rail sites, and plug in travel dates about 2, 3 months out (same day of the week) and you will see the prices and most likely the discounts available. Granted, scheduling and pricing is not available for next May but the changes between scheduling periods are small to none.

Posted by
4132 posts

Can't comment on your pass-or-tickets dilemma, but did want to admire your itinerary.

Too bad about having to return to A'dam, but sounds like a really nice trip.

Posted by
8889 posts

Yes, to everything Emily says.
The authoritative place to look up fares is the website of whichever railway company runs the train. And read the "Man in Seat 61" website.

The story with Lauterbrunnen is that a Eurail Pass only covers you up to Interlaken (the "gateway" to the Jungfrau area). From there to Lauterbrunnen you only get a discount and would have to buy (discounted) tickets at Lauterbrunnen.

Posted by
11294 posts

Following on Emily's and Frank's posts:

Here is The Man In Seat 61's excellent discussion of passes vs. individual tickets: https://www.seat61.com/Railpass-and-Eurail-pass-guide.htm#railpass-or-point-to-point-tickets

Here is his page of where to look for accurate fares for each journey: https://www.seat61.com/Europe-train-tickets.htm

Emily is right - the Rick Steves train price map assumes last minute purchase, and since you know your itinerary in advance, you can take full advantage of advance purchase discounts. And Frank is right - look at prices for about 3 months ahead on your routes, and assume prices will only go up a bit next year (a few euros).

Note that if you want to stop in Brussels, you will need separate tickets (Amsterdam to Brussels, then Brussels to Arras).

Posted by
7067 posts

The promotional rail passes are non-refundable. Do you wish to risk the total cost of those rail passes for a trip that is so many months out? Besides the obvious possibilities (illness, injury, job circumstances, etc) that might impact your trip, your plans may in fact evolve between now and then. Why lock in everything now?

Posted by
16895 posts

If you're not ready to buy a non-refundable pass now, other sales or price changes probably will happen between now and next May.

"I am assuming the rail travel we would do within cities or for short day trips from cities would be on local lines that would not be covered on Eurail." This assumption is only partly correct. In-city transport is rarely covered, although you could continue to your hotel by S-Bahn after arriving by train in Munich. Regional trains from town to town normally are covered by passes, but tickets on the spot may also be cheap, depending on distance.

Of course, you already know that trains past Interlaken in the Lauterbrunnen Valley are an exception; you do just get the 25% discount on those mountain trains and lifts with a Eurail pass, which does not require using a counted Eurail flexipass travel day. At those times that you're buying discounted Swiss transport tickets, your child under 16 could get the usual kid discount of 50% off instead of the passholder discount or you can probably buy the Junior Card there to cover him for 30 Swiss Francs.

Passholder reservations on Thalys (if you take it) from Amsterdam to Antwerp or Brussels and TGV Lyria from Paris to Basel will add to the total cost of using a pass (or Paris-Strasbourg is a cheaper reservation). See https://www.ricksteves.com/travel-tips/transportation/trains/france-rail-passes.

The ticket price maps we provide you are a good starting point. It's correct that they show full fares, not advance discounts. If you were aiming to buy point-to-point tickets ahead, the biggest savings would be on the longest, most expensive tickets from Paris to Switzerland and from Switzerland to Germany; both of these should go on sale by mid-December. Trains within Switzerland don't offer early booking discounts.

Posted by
5507 posts

The travel map provided on this site does also not take into account private rail lines, like Westbahn [in Austria] and RejioJet [in Czechia], which have very low walk up fares.

No one goes to an airport and walks up to the airline counter on the day of travel and buys a ticket, as that would be crazy expensive. Same is today true of train tickets with national carriers.