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Delta and Southwest, domestic US

I've been flying Delta and Southwest a lot lately, and since they are rather different airlines, I thought I would jot things down.

In flight service:

I used to admire the Southwest service model, forsaking the bev cart and taking orders and delivering drinks via a tray. I have grown tired of this, though, because with a bev cart I can get 2 drinks at once, a soft drink and either coffee or water. Also Southwest delivers 1 snack choice almost immediately (graciously distributed out of a cardboard box or plastic bag) and the drinks come 20 minutes later as a rule, seems a poor plan. Usually the snack is graham cracker cookies which are not my fave. Delta always has 4 snack choices and gives out 2 bags, the same or different as you like. And the drinks and snacks come at the same time. Delta FAs also keep on their feet, doing a water run and a coffee run down the aisle every 15-20 minutes after the bev cart service. Southwest flight attendants do the one service, then sit in the jump seats and gab and gab. Only ringing for service gets more coffee or water after the initial drink service.

Seating/loading/bags:

Southwest wins on legroom, a inch more than the big 3 (incl Delta). at least on their 737-900. Greatly appreciated. Southwest allows free checked bags. Southwest also has the no reserved seating policy, with the boarding order decided at check in. My last four SW flights were for work (Anytime Fares) so I got boarding position A15-A30, which makes things easy. Last fall traveling on points I checked in at T24 and got C46, bummer. The huge advantage of the Southwest boarding system is that flights normally load faster. However my last 4 SW flights, even with the free checked bags policy in effect, there were still many people carrying on large bags and loading them up overhead, and so the time difference loading the planes between Delta (who charge for bags and have assigned seats) wasn't as great. Maybe 5-8 minutes faster loading SW planes than Delta, instead of 8-12 minutes faster previously. Every Delta 6-seat across jet has video screens at every seat and a USB port. SW seats have neither.

Other differences:

Delta has a conventional structure of different classes of seats, elite-based seating order, and a lounge system for elite passengers. Southwest has one class of service and no lounges.

Various anecdotes:

Only 1 delayed flight. On Southwest leaving Chicago last fall, and last flight of the day (after 8 pm), a high school tour group was coming back from DC and on that plane. One of the students lost a backpack, and they held up departure 35 MINUTES while they allowed the student to roam the terminal looking for the lost bag, there was even discussion about the student staying behind alone (!). Finally it was decided that the student would leave a phone number and we would go. I still don't get why it took 35 minutes for the SW staff to reach this obvious conclusion, the rest of the plane was there 34 minutes previously.

As to the FA joking on SW, some people like it but many don't. Delta FAs do not joke around. I prefer no jokes.

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Thanks Tom, i really appreciate this helpful info.

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11185 posts

Tom

Can you comment on cost comparison?

From where I fly, I have never been able to find a meaningful cost saving to choose SWA over any other available choice.

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20143 posts

Southwest, the kicker is: 2 bags free.
But the Southwest gates at O'Hare are a joke. A half mile walk from the security point.

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Cost: It seems about the same, so choose for convenience or loyalty.

Forever Southwest stood out for 2 cost things:

-1. No fees for changes or cancellations.

-2. Points bookings could be cancelled free, no fees.

Since covid the Big 3 operate the same way.

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Tom, thanks for the summary. Here's my two cents.

I fly to Seattle a lot. My son has a lot of SW points from when he lived in St. Louis so he "treated" me last October. There are no nonstops between MSP and SeaTac, so that doubled my travel time, more than, actually. It took forever for my checked bag to arrive at both airports. (If this happens with Delta, I get 2500 skypesos per flight) And to top it off, even though I was in the B group, I ended up in a middle seat, both flights, with bigger people on each side of me. I think had I taken a chance and gone to the back of the plane, I may have gotten an aisle, but I couldn't tell for sure. Oh, and there wasn't a video monitor on the seat back for movies.

If I'm just a bit savvy, I can get the same or better fares on Delta where I can get two bags of sun chips, an entire can of Diet coke, movies, a window seat and usually 5000 skypesos for my late bags per trip.

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Well, there’s a lot of rumors at the free skypesos for late bags are going away

When Southwest first started, they were a low-cost carrier. But as Southwest merged, grew etc the cost structure is now very similar to the Delta United, etc. so they do not automatically have dramatically cheaper fares.

I will be honest, I have quit flying southwest, simply because they handle irregular operations in the worst possible method. And that’s because their systems are even more antiquated and outdated than the systems used by Delta, etc. For example, Delta equips their flight attendants with a method to check in that tracks their location. You have to be inside security when you check in and the GPS system knows where you are so you can’t check in from the interstate outside the airport and claim your on time. Southwest doesn’t do that. So when they have irregular operations, their system assumes that the crew got on the plane to Nashville and went there even though the plane never took off. Someone has to manually adjust the crew location. If it’s one flight that’s not a problem, if it’s 100 chaos ensues.

And then there’s the fact that I generally get a free business class ticket to Europe every couple years on Delta using my Skypesos and that’s not going to happen on Southwest.

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I fly 8 or 10 segments per year on Southwest. That brings me to one of the things I like...I can buy one way tickets, rather than round trips, with no price hit. Sometimes, I need this when I'm taking a long enough trip and flights for my return haven't yet been released. Or I just haven't figured out how long my trip will be.

In 2022, Southwest changed $$$ flight credits to never expire. Travelers, like me, were flying on points instead of paid tickets because points were no risk if you canceled.

At the same time, I've noticed a change in the fluctuation of Southwest fares. I am seeing much higher (often double) fares when tickets are first released. Gone are the days of my $99 or $119 one way fares.

Instead.... sometimes months down the road... they'll have a sale. I can rebook at the lower fare and the credit for the price difference never expires. On some flights, I've rebooked twice for lower fares, back down to prices closer to those that I used to pay.

So it pays to watch for Southwest sales, even after you've bought your ticket.

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It all depends on your airport and the number of flights. I can get to just about anywhere on Southwest from here, including Hawaii and the Caribbean, and with connections there are a lot of options. So almost all our domestic travel is on SWA. Free checked bags, ease of changing reservations when prices drop, and credit when cancelling flights, all tip the scale. Delta is my preference for international, if I have a decent connection.

Snacks and "friendly" service are not a big attraction on short flights. We bring our own. Tom, maybe you can comment on the checkin/boarding process differences. I'm not sure which is better.

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they handle irregular operations in the worst possible method.

I had a family member caught up in the Christmas one recently, it was a mess. Never could get a flight, noting that Southwest will not put someone on a competitor's flight, another difference.

ease of changing reservations when prices drop, and credit when cancelling flights, all tip the scale

Both of these are no longer true, since covid, all four major US airlines operate the same way. Don't know how long it will last, though.

We bring our own

Many like to bring their own snacks and entertainment, but it is more convenient to have them provided.

the Southwest gates at O'Hare are a joke. A half mile walk from the security point.

For me the SW gates at my home airport are in a separate, easier terminal. Cheaper Uber ride, easier drop off and pick up.

A last difference, I find that Delta cancels flight more frequently, I can't actually remember a SW flight being strategically canceled (because Delta or whoever decided they can make more money flying the plane on another route).

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I was caught in the Southwest Xmas debacle on Dec 26, but I still fly Southwest. They did give me a boat load of points as a result, but that doesn't make up for their blunder.
I just ask for the entire can of Diet Coke and have never been refused.
I also go to Wine Country regularly , and check two wine suitcases each trip, ( two cases of wine) free of charge. I also like being able to buy one- way tickets, and to cancel and rebook when the fares drop. Granted, the fare sales aren't as good as they used to be.
I'm sticking with Southwest, works for me. Good luck!

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A few other notes. About a year ago, I made a change to a leg for a trip on Delta. I had expected the price difference to be a wash because the leg that wasn't changing had gone up in price. I was surprised that I was allowed to modify without changing the other leg.

After our recent trip to Hawaii, we've decided that we will not fly Hawaiian (partner, not codeshare with Delta) interisland. Hawaiian seems to have many more delays and cancellations and charges for bags. For those short legs, I think its worth it to book SW. Also, for my daughter's flight Honolulu/Maui round trip, I had to change the 1st flight and got charged more for the unchanged flight. That wouldn't have happened with SW. Since my daughter is never quite sure of when she can leave Honolulu, I think SW will offer more flexibility. I'll miss the guava juice.

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I was also caught in the SW Christmas 2022 debacle, but that was not my first, nor last issue with canceled or significantly delayed flights. I fly 4 - 6 flights a year with SW and really loathe their boarding process. I only fly them to visit my daughters in FL because they are the only airline with nonstops from our airport of choice for short haul (PVD vs BOS). I pay $25 per leg for the "early bird" check in to get in the A boarding group. I rather just pay the additional $10 each leg that others charge and have an actual seat assignment. I feel like I'm in line for the slaughter with their process. I don't really care about two free checked bags as we travel carryon only, even at Christmas as I ship all the gifts down ahead of time.

I also agree that even just several years ago when my daughters first started college back in 2017 they were lower cost than the majors, now I actually find them relatively expensive. In 2017 flights averaged $260 - $300 RT. My last flight from Tampa to PVD a few weeks ago was $265 one way not including the additional for early bird check in.

I would love for someone to give them competition.

And yes, Delta is my airline of choice for international if available.

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Joann, have you tried Breeze Air? They fly out of PVD. I flew them PVD to Norfolk. Certainly not a premium experience but better than Southwest, I think. They do fly nonstop to Tampa.