We are looking at going from Munich to Venice on the City Night Line (CNL) in June. We are planning on traveling in Switzerland, Germany, and Italy, I had a few questions. 1. If we get a Eurail Select Saver Pass, since the only stops are in Italy starting with Tarvisio, do we still need Austria on our Pass, making it a 4 country pass rather than 3? (I used Wed 13.06.12 search and looked at the intermediate stops section). 2. How much of the train ticket is covered by the Pass minus the reservation fee (for seat, couchette, or sleeper)? 3. How uncomfortable are the seats to sleep in compared to flying? Thanks for the help!
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Lakewood, Colorado
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Tim, I don't know that I would count on that being the schedule for CNL 363 when the new timetable comes out. The CNL website doesn't indicate a change from the schedule (through Innsbruck) shown on their brochure. The schedule we see for after July 9 is the exact same stops and times as EN 237, which starts in Vienna and goes through Salzburg. Maybe they are going to combine cars in Salzburg. That train goes through Austria (Villach) so if RailEurope is correct, you still need Austria as a country.
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Lakewood, Colorado
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"the only stops are in Italy starting with Tarvisio" First, the schedule you looked at is probably incomplete. European rail schedules run for 6 months and are d twice a year, 2nd weekend in June and 2nd weekend in December. That train usually makes four stops in Austria between Kufstein and Innsbruck before entering Italy at Brennero. I'm sure the schedule will eventually show that. This brochure shows the schedule independent of date. Click on the '+' before "City Night Line Timetables", then on "Munich-Venice". Also, Rail Europe states somewhere that if a train goes through a country, you need to include that country in a rail pass, even if the train makes no stops in that country. So you will need some kind of ticket coverage, either a fourth country on your rail pass or a point-point ticket, which you can get in Munich, to cover the travel in Austria. If you are using the German Rail (Bahn) website, click on "check availability" (it will ask for your age, enter it, then it will take you back to the "Connection" page, click "check availability" again). It will show you a table of prices for point-point. Click on "book only extra charge" and it will show you the cost of the supplement for each accommodation on the night train. Anything is more comfortable for sleeping than the non-1st-class seats on an airplane). Look here for a view of the seats. The Munich-Venice trains has seats in compartments (lower picture).
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Minneapolis, MN, USA
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The next semi-annual timetable goes into effect on 10 June. Up to and including 9 June the CNL train leaves Muenchen at 21:03 and arrives at Venezia Santa Lucia at 06:38. It makes the stops in Austria mentioned by Lee and it doesn't stop in Tarvisio at all. Beginning on 10 June the CNL train leaves Muenchen at 23:40 and arrives at Venezia Santa Lucia at 08:34. The first stop is Tarvisio.
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Minneapolis, MN, USA
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Lee, I found the change for the CNL train on the German Rail site. The site also shows a change of number for the Wien-Venezia EN train. Up to 9 June it's EN 1037. Beginning on 10 June it's EN 237. The departure and arrival times are unchanged.
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Bolivar
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Thanks. That's extremely helpful.