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I think this is another case of confusing writing. As its worded, you can't tell to whom this applies. US citizens returning from anywhere overseas? Foreign citizens from any country (like China) including leisure travelers? Maybe only to people who are traveling under the limited exemptions allowed to foreigners? I cant find any website clarifying the statement.

Posted by
6668 posts

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is expanding the requirement for a negative COVID-19 test to all air passengers entering the United States. ( first sentence of the article)

Seems reasonably clear

Posted by
11473 posts

There are a number of world airports that have inhouse testing, but one of the better appears to be Istanbul. I had something posted about it some time back, but I think it got flamed into deletion. Funny, I was discussing options with a friend who is heading overseas in a few weeks; to a country that requires testing to enter. I had recommended waiting till he got to Istanbul. Now it seems it will work for him in both directions. And if the layovers aren't long enough there is a very nice hotel right where the departure gates are.

Posted by
7020 posts

Yes! Thank goodness. I will be flying back to the States in the next few months. It's such a relief to know that everyone else on the plane will have had a negative test, too, lessening the possibility of catching it inside that closed metal tube. I had to have a negative test to board the flight over, which was a huge hassle, but it was reassuring and the right thing to do for the passengers and crew.

Posted by
243 posts

"But think how better things would be if the CDC had ordered everyone to wear masks 100% of the time, or lock down? Why didn't they?"

Because Science is an ongoing process. Research showed that Covid-19 was primarily caused by person to person respiratory droplets, whereas before it was thought it was mainly fomites (objects or materials) - so the original most important advice was "wash your hands for 20 seconds"

Posted by
8791 posts

An interesting point.....a U.S. Citizen returning to the U.S. cannot be denied entry back into the country. But you have to be at a port of entry.

So the question is.....can the U.S. government prevent a U.S. citizen from even traveling to the U.S. or would that be seen as preventing the citizen from entering?

By the way, Japan today banned all foreign visitors through the end of the month.

Posted by
1189 posts

The only problem with recent testing is that you are only negative at the exact moment of testing.
You could be incubating it all along, and be positive 24 hours later.

Posted by
1033 posts

Having to have a negative test within 72 hours might help some travel but it does nothing for me as I agree with SJ. I’m waiting for the vaccine to be a requirement if that is possible.

Posted by
7020 posts

An interesting point.....a U.S. Citizen returning to the U.S. cannot be denied entry back into the country. But you have to be at a port of entry.
So the question is.....can the U.S. government prevent a U.S. citizen from even traveling to the U.S. or would that be seen as preventing the citizen from entering?

Indeed interesting. We were not allowed to fly to France until after July 1 although we are French citizens. So can the States impose these conditions as we are also US citizens? The gatekeepers are the airlines who won't let passengers board without the required documents, no matter the nationality.

Posted by
1597 posts

"But why."

Because the first thing the US does is "find someone else to blame"

I was in Florida recently for a family issue, no masking, no social distancing. Fantasyland has apparently escaped the Magic Kingdom

But we aren't testing travelers before they get on a plane in Orlando just from a foreign country because Covid is only transported by international travelers, right? LOL! We need to clean up our own house and quit trying to act like a magician "watch the moving hand and you won't see the problem"

Then of course there's the fact that if you drive across the Canada or Mexico border you aren't tested... Theatre!

Posted by
1351 posts

The vaccine should be the requirement to fly. It's like smallpox, typhus, or any other vaccine. Read the science, use common sense, and get the vaccine. To not do so is as bad or worse as not wearing a mask in that it's extraordinarily selfish, inconsiderate, and unintelligent.

Calling it like it is.

Testing negative before a flight does not mean a COVID-free flight. That is not how the virus works.

Posted by
338 posts

"provide documentation of having recovered from COVID-19."

What exactly does that mean? A physician's statement that you had Covid (tested positive) and now you don't (tested negative)? A copy of your tests? Would you be turned away if your negative test was more than 72 hours old?

Posted by
1105 posts

Imagine a vaccine so effective that governments can force you to take it to combat a disease that you have to be tested in order to know if you have it..... and is what, 99.7% survivable? Asking for a friend.

Posted by
243 posts

Well, I think Gerorge just doomed this thread (or at least the last part of it), but in the interests of educating George's moronic friend:

1) Death rates in the US make up about 1.7% of known positives. Spain, Germany and France about 2.4%, UK 2.6%
At present rates, deaths from Covid-19 in the USA will overtake US Millitary deaths in World War II (417,000) by the middle of next week.
2) Antibody testing has shown that there is little evidence that large numbers of people caught the virus and were asymptomatic.
3) routine screening for the virus among hospital staff members confirms there are not many asymptomatic infections.
4) If you get an opportunity to walk around an intensive care unit, it will be evidently clear that these people didn't need to be tested to know they had it.

Posted by
5956 posts

I would stop talking to that “friend” George, he is spouting ill informed, dangerous rubbish.

Posted by
1597 posts

Offically the "Mexican border" is closed. Of course if have "essential business" you can cross it.

I have family who live on the border. "Essential business" includes shopping, vacation, visiting friends and family, work (regardless of type so their housekeeper comes over 2x a week) and as one of them put it "just about any excuse you can think of"

And yes I am sure masking is good at Disney and Universal in Florida. However, at the hotels, gas stations and restaurants where you don't have Mickey or Harry watching over you... it's a free for all :)

Posted by
1833 posts

I have many friends traveling to and from Mexico - a few are there this week. The border is closed... but you can still travel to Mexico. As per the US Embassy in Mexico, The United States will temporarily limit inbound land border crossings from Mexico to “essential travel”. This restriction is supposed to run out on 1/21/2021, but there's no doubt that it will be extended.

Yet, reading further on the website, you find: This action does not apply to air, rail, or sea travel at this time, but does apply to commuter rail and ferry travel. The folks I know are all flying into various resorts, primarily in Cancun and Los Cabos. Of course, in the future, they will need a COVID test to return and some resorts are already planning on providing on-site testing within the guidelines of the new restrictions.

Posted by
11473 posts

And yes I am sure masking is good at Disney and Universal in Florida.
However, at the hotels, gas stations and restaurants where you don't
have Mickey or Harry watching over you... it's a free for all :)

Having actually experienced it, I can state that you characterization is incorrect and wrecklessly endangering the livelihoods of thousands of workers who are diligently following the guidelines in hopes of keeping their economy open to the extent that they can work to put food in the mouths of their families. Such statements call into question any statements you make on any subject; and I am certain that is not your desire.

Posted by
1597 posts

Hate to tell you this, but I was actually in Orlando last weekend at Disney and in hotels and gas station. Mask wearing was 50% at best at most places I stopped. Now when i went inside the Disney bubble it was 100%. But everywhere else it was literally about 50%. I went into a gas station to buy a Coke and turned around and walked out because no one in that gas station was wearing a mask. My father lives in Florida and he won’t leave his house because no one around him wears a mask. But you know I got on the plane and flew home without being tested for Covid.

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11473 posts

Getting on a plane when you yourself feel as though you might have been exposed? Really?

I have been in FL on two separate occasions in the last 4 months..... My experience within stores, gas stations, etc. was quite a bit different. But I believe you.

I will say, that if I were your father an NO ONE in my town was wearing a mask, as he described to you, I would call the news media and the state police. That town is being reckless and disrespectful and making it tougher for us to get to where we need to be. What is the name of the town?!