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What’s App being trialed for RS tours

Just a head’s up: My husband and I just got back from the Best of Italy 17-day tour. At our welcome meeting, our tour leader let us know we’d be using What’s App for tour communications, in addition to the schedules posted at each hotel. This took us by surprise, as it hadn’t been mentioned in any of our pre-tour planning materials. Apparently it is something RS Tours is testing out with select tours, perhaps to see whether it's feasible to use with more tours in the future. My husband and I both had issues getting on What’s App; the app refused to validate me, saying I was a security concern, which confounded me. I had used What’s App once or twice before, but not for like 10 years. My husband is not technologically adept, and it took him quite a bit of time to understand how to get the app and use it.

Our tour leader told me to delete and re-download the app and wait 24 hours. Did this; the problem with authentication persisted. Nothing the tour leader suggested helped. I spent quite a bit of time trying to locate customer service help for the app…because there is nothing but a generic “help” guide in the app (which was of course not helpful.) I finally found a link to contact customer service in the app store, under reviews. Sent messages appealing to them and telling them I did not understand why I was being told I was a security concern. Even contacted my phone provider (Verizon), which was no help. Three days later, the app finally sent me an authentication code, then one hour later banned me from using the app. I appealed this decision (you have to do all this online, and there is no actual person to talk to, the app seems to be run by bots). After a few hours, my appeal was granted, and both my husband and I were finally able to get up and running on the app.

But we missed more than three days of group communications. Announcements, scheduling updates/reminders, lunch and dinner restaurant suggestions, details about what we would be seeing on our walking tours, the matrix of photos/names of all tour participants, and shared photos and comments between our fellow tour participants - we had to ask the tour leader to AirDrop this info separately to our phones. (Couldn’t get the conversations/comments from other participants). I felt we were missing out on an important shared group experience.

So you might want to ask the tour office a few days before your tour whether your particular tour will be using What’s App. If so, it would be far easier to download the app and go through the validation process when still at home.

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This is great info!. We haven't used it on any of our RS tours, but it's really a great idea to get on it prior!

Rachel, RS tours does use lobby postings and other general appropriate ways to communicate with the group. But agree that something like What's App deserved advance notification for the tour group!!!

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Wow, that’s a lot of logistics put onto you with no heads up. I find this surprising that the guide wouldn’t have been using the previous ways of communication once they found out this method wasn’t working for some of the group.

Since most people who take the tours aren’t familiar with this forum, please notify the RS office of your experience. They would probably appreciate hearing about your situation - especially if there’s a fix to the issue you had that they can share with future groups.

And just a note for others on a tour or not - WhatsApp was the preferred method of communication with small B&B’s, hotels, restaurants & activity reservations & communication in the cities I visited in Italy this year & last year.

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KD, I missed that line in the original post. Deleted my comment, but I stand by RS tours should let people know in advance—and, yes, I’ve been on RS tours.

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I find this surprising. I wonder if this was a rogue guide.It's fine to trial something new, but tour members should be given a heads up so they can deal with technology issues at home, not during previous vacation time. We see many posters here traveling with no smart phone, some with no phones at all.

I would contact the tour office and let them know you're unhappy.

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The two tours, Poland and Eastern France, I was on in 2024 used WhatsApp with the guide suggesting it as a secure form of communication but up to the individual’s discretion. It was framed this way: if you have WhatsApp and would like to,participate, then please do so. Not everyone joined in but those people didn’t miss out on important information.

I’m sorry you had such a hassle getting signed into WhatsApp.

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Our guide on the Village Italy tour last year used What’s App to communicate with the group in addition to the usual lobby posting and verbal announcements. It was a great and informative addition embraced by most tour members. The few who were not technically adept were helped by other tour members. I hope more guides use What’s App on our future tours.

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Our guide used What’s App on our Loire Valley tour in 2023.
Our tours this year used it for communication and photo sharing—not to share the itinerary.

I booked a taxi service in Istanbul last minute and was able to communicate the fact that my flight was delayed—easy way to keep them updated. I think my taxi driver in Athens also used it to communicate with me.

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I was told a few times while we traveled in Italy, the "everyone in Italy uses whatsapp". I told a tourguide that in the U.S., no one I know uses it. We text or email. She seemed surprised.

A driver in Istanbul used it and was messaging me occasionally. I think he thought I was avoiding him. First of all, I could only get the messages when I had wifi ( I still avoid paying for data except when I need if for some particular reason) then when I had wifi, I had to specifically look at the app for messages. SInce that isn't the means of communication I use, I was only checking for emails and texts.

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Our guide was not rogue, he has worked for RS for 26 years. This was something that apparently the tour office wanted him to use. He was VERY responsive about making sure anyone not on the app got the info they needed for logistics with verbal info or texts/AirDrops of info. But I have trouble remembering a lot of details when they all come at once, and with the app, everything is there in writing to go back and look up as needed later. Once I was up on What’s App, it was GREAT. We’d get 8-10 posts before breakfast with all kinds of info and announcements. And it stays up for 3 months after your tour. People from my tour are still sharing photos, contact info, and future travel plans. I do plan to let the office know that they should give participants a heads-up before the tour so they can deal with any tech issues while still at home. That part was incredibly frustrating. But it wasn’t the guide’s fault.

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Better WhatsApp than MS Teams or G-Chat, believe me.

I liked GroupMe for ad-hoc temporary group chats but they have been absorbed into the Borg collective.

Facetime and Messages are great but only if everyone is using iPhones and knows what they are doing.

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Could tour guides hand out "burner" phones with WhatsApp already set up for people? Perhaps as a service/option for tour members? Wasn't interested in it myself since Facebook bought it. Don't do Facebook though I understand this is a separate utility.

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So,

  • Everyone must have a European Data Plan on their phone while on a RS Tour.
  • Everyone on the tour will have everyone elses phone number.
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Every time I see a post about WhatsApp not being used much in the US I’m kind of amazed. I literally use WhatsApp for everything, it’s my main form of technical communication. I use it to stay in touch with friends, to make calls, to make reservations etc etc. I’m not alone in this, lots of people in the Netherlands use WhatsApp to communicate.

I usually take one group tour a year and each time a group chat was formed to share information, photos etc. I’m going on a group tour again in a couple of weeks and the tour company already set up a group chat. Just last night I shared a podcast about the countries we will visit with my fellow group members. When I was on a group tour outside the EU, so with no data plan, we had WiFi at every single hotel. The tour leader always made sure to send important information when we were in the hotel and could use the hotel WiFi. It was never an issue an no one missed important information.

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Dutch_traveler - likewise - everything here from messaging friends to booking a tradesperson to making a restaurant reservation is on whatsapp, and even most of my business phone calls are made using whatsapp. The only people who send text messages or make normal phone calls are scammers.

I use WhatsApp widely not only in Asia but also Europe. I do agree it varies a bit between countries- in some places viber or Facebook messenger is more popular, and I have WeChat for China.

Most people would have data, either local or roaming these days, and if not there's always WiFi.

RobertH - Whatsapp is set up using your phone number, do pretty hard for them to do as you suggest.

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Everyone must have a European Data Plan on their phone while on a RS Tour.

You don’t need a data plan. Whatsapp works with wifi which is available at every hotel.

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"RobertH - Whatsapp is set up using your phone number, do pretty hard for them to do as you suggest."

That's what I was afraid of. :(

Not Facebook.

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Every time I see a post about WhatsApp not being used much in the US
I’m kind of amazed. I literally use WhatsApp for everything, it’s my
main form of technical communication.

I can't recall the reason for the conversation I had in Amsterdam last week, but I think it was with a young woman at the hotel desk I was staying at and she look surprised when I mentioned that hardly anyone I know used WhatsApp. I had never heard of it before joining this Forum. Looking at my chat history I last used it on March 16th to chat with a friend who was on vacation and wasn't using data on his phone without wifi. Other than that in the past year there was a quick chat with a hotel in Beynac, France on Oct 4th with my hotel to let them know what time I was arriving. After that, the next time I used it was 2023.

Having said that, I think it's a great idea to use on the tours however I do recall on my one and only RS tour that their was pushback among a few that wanted nothing to do with sharing contact information that other tour members would have access to. I'd get pushback from my wife as well who wants as little to do with any new apps and technology as possible.

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How odd, years ago, it was my US friends in Florida who got me started on What’sApp. Now everyone in the UK seems to use it, though businesses are just starting to use it here.

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I think it is important to note that the OP's experience is highly unusual and there is probably more to story on why this was so complicated.

The entire world except the US seems to use WhatsApp for everything (we do here in Austria for certain). Probably not a bad idea for international American travelers to go ahead and get it/get used to it now anyway. I use it, for example, to chat with my AirBnb hosts and local tour guides.

I wish I could get my family in the US to get on WhatsApp. How do people in the US even communicate these days?

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The entire world except the US seems to use WhatsApp for everything

The overwhelming majority of my US frineds have WhatsApp. Maybe in part its more a generational thing in the US.

Yes, you can use WiFi if you dont have a European data plan, but I suspect you will miss out on some things that way. If the people on the tour start posting photos on the whatsapp .... well there goes the Data GB allowance on your phone plan.

Now a bunch of strangers have your phone number. On principal I dont like people so naturally as soon as the tour is over I would block all of their numbers (easy enough to to on WhatsApp and in your standard phone service).

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“ If the people on the tour start posting photos on the whatsapp .... well there goes the Data GB allowance on your phone plan.”

No, not necessarily. In the settings of both your phone and WhatsApp you can prevent the automatic download of photos, videos etc. I have this setting in place, and when not on WiFi I have to specifically click on a photo in order to download it.

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As Mr. E. said:
So,
Everyone must have a European Data Plan on their phone while on a RS Tour.
Everyone on the tour will have everyone elses phone number.

So, if future RS tours will require a cellphone plan with a U.S. phone number given out to 28 persons I barely know, I will not participate. I will have to re-evaluate taking a tour without the benefit of all those notifications. I did evaluate Whatsapp, and stopped when I realized the app requires access to all my contacts. That, to me, is a BIG privacy issue. I won't have my personal cellphone number available to millions of folks who can type in my name. Presently, I receive no spam email or phone calls, and that's because I work hard to prevent all those "services" spying on me, and selling my data.

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“ I won't have my personal cellphone number available to millions of folks who can type in my name”
That’s not how WhatsApp works. You need to have someone’s phone number before you can send them a message via WhatsApp. Unlike Facebook or Instagram, you can’t look up someone if you only have their name.
I’ve been using WhatsApp for more than a decade and I’ve never received fraudulent messages on WhatsApp. When I receive fraudulent messages on my phone, it’s always via text message.

And like I said earlier, WhatsApp also works with WiFi, so you don’t need a data plan.

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The last few RS tours we went on, our tour guide did send the daily schedule via WhatsApp. Several other tour members shared group photos via it too.

I was definitely optional though. How do I know? I didn’t install it. Why? I’m not a fan of Meta. So how did I stay informed? The tour guide also taped or pinned a printed copy of the day’s event in some public space at the hotel. I’d take a photo of it every day. As for miscellaneous photos, I’d ask someone to send me a copy (after I explained my “allergy” to all things META.)

I suppose I should mention my wife has no qualms with Meta so in a pinch if I forgot to capture the daily plan (which by the way the guide would repeat piecemeal throughout the day to keep us all on the same page), I could ask her— but if did ask her, she often give me the wrong info on purpose— just to teach me a lesson!!

Happy travels!

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I am a little surprised so many here do not have WhatsApp on their phones already. This forum is where I first learned about it years ago and have had it on my phone and use it at some point on every trip for at least 10 years. Since I travel without my husband a lot, I also use the App to call him in the evenings so I don't use up all my travel plan minutes from Verizon and save them for really important calls ;p) In all seriousness, there are always a couple of tours, transfers or hotel communications where we truly need WhatsApp. It makes life so much easier.

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I’ve been using WhatsApp for more than a decade and I’ve never received fraudulent messages on WhatsApp. When I receive fraudulent messages on my phone, it’s always via text message.

This. My phone number got into the dark web and now I get random "Hi" messages, or texts from headhunters. I will say I have gotten an occasional "Hi" text on WhatsApp, but it's rare, and much less frequent than the SMS texts. I think it's partly because you have to jump through more hoops to send a message on WhatsApp.

I've been using WhatsApp for years now. I started early on mainly to keep in touch with my European friends but now I use it for a lot more; businesses, family and friends who are traveling, and group chats with friends. It's really convenient and easy to use. Even my 15 year old grandson uses it. I think it's great that Rick Steves tours are beginning to use it.

I do agree that they should inform tour participants ahead of time so that they can download the app if they don't have it, and practice with it a bit, but it really is a good tool.

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I did evaluate Whatsapp, and stopped when I realized the app requires access to all my contacts

No, access to your phone directory is only with the user’s permission during set up, it’s not required. Permission to one’s photos is also optional.

At least once on most trips a future lodging host or other person will spontaneously contact me via WhatsApp. Yes every traveler should have it installed. I only use WIFI for access to the app.

It wasn’t owned by Meta when I first used it. I think it’s paranoid to think there’s something Big Brother going on. I did have a European friend who switched to Signal when Meta bought WhatsApp, and Signal of course is great for Department of Defense top secret combat updates as well.

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We used What’s App on our Best of Ireland tour a couple of years ago. Our guide not only posted the schedule but Irish songs, history, photos, etc. We enjoyed it and it enhanced the trip. We installed the app when we were in Ireland. I agree that people should be told before they leave for their trip that this app will be used during the tour. My friend is doing the Best of Ireland tour this week and I gave him a heads up that he may need the app for his tour.

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". I won't have my personal cellphone number available to millions of folks who can type in my name. Presently, I receive no spam email or phone calls, and that's because I work hard to prevent all those "services" spying on me, and selling my data."

That's not how it works. The only way someone can message you is if they know your number and even then if they're not in your contacts the app warns you and gives you the option of blocking you.

Whatsapp is very strict on unsolicited business messages - I hardly ever receive them. And it's encrypted, so more secure than normal calls and texts.

Obviously it's your call, but you're really limiting your ability to communicate when traveling. There are countries (especially in Asia) where you basically don't exist if you don't use it.

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We’ve been using What’s App for years here and in Croatia. We also use Viber but this has a $6 monthly charge. Most of our relatives in Croatia use both.

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I’ve been using WhatsApp for more than a decade and I’ve never received fraudulent messages on WhatsApp.

I have used WhatsApp for about 10 years, and I find it essential when traveling outside the US.

However, I have received many spam messages on WhatsApp, a fraction of the same kinds of messages I receive on iMessage at home, but still, WhatsApp is not immune to spreading unwanted messages. Delete and block, and move on.

As for the RS tour and using WhatsApp, seems to me the only communication you would need would be from the tour guide, not the rest of the people on the tour. Couldn't you simply accept the tour guides messages, and not the rest of the group? Pretty sure that is easily done...

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I first used What's App in France when my texting became erratic. My sister suggested it as an alternative and it worked out great for us to communicate whenever we got separated. I only use when I am in Europe traveling, but I have some hotels, B & B's prefer it. When I was in France in 2023 a couple places used it practically exclusively. I delete it when I get home so no spam or trash problems so far.

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I use WhatsApp all the time. I find it so surprising that it isn’t used in the US. Literally everything is done through WhatsApp here - kids party invites, lift shares for activities, I’m in several groups related to my kid’s school, work groups for organising socials, family groups where we share photos etc.

There are people who don’t like it but it’s become impossible to function without it, especially if you have kids.

Surely email is really impractical for this type of thing?

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A "social director" type tour member on our Best of Ireland tour last year started using WhatsApp to communicate to her circle of friends. It was rather clique-y since only a few people were in on it. But everyone eventually discovered it's use and then others asked to join them. Soon we were all exchanging our planned activities, restaurant ideas, etc with each other. One of our group shared some photos of me that she had taken. Joe Darcy the tour guide never joined in though.

After the tour ended everyone seemed to want to continue WhatsApp communication. So we all learned of the tours each of us are taking this year. I shared photos of me and my husband that I had taken in our next tour of Greece. We also shared photos of the St. Patrick Day festivities in our respective hometowns. Everyone seemed to really like my shots of the Michigan Central Train Station drenched in green lights (thank you again Ford for that restoration and for my pension!). It's really nice to keep in contact using our group chat.

Now my sister and I are using WhatsApp and I've also got some use among my former coworkers. So, it's getting more presence in the US.

I do agree though that if it's going to be the official tool of the tour guide it should be introduced before the tour starts. Most of our Ireland group had never installed it and there's always a learning curve for any tool. It would be wise for people to be prepared.

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“ However, I have received many spam messages on WhatsApp, a fraction of the same kinds of messages I receive on iMessage at home, but still, WhatsApp is not immune to spreading unwanted messages. Delete and block, and move on.”

WhatsApp is indeed not immune to spam, but still someone needs to have your phone number to send it. You don’t receive the spam message because you use WhatsApp, but because your phone number is out there. They could have also send you an IMessage.

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I don't know why email would be considered impractical for sending/receiving information. I use it frequently to send information, photos, recipes, invites, directions, etc. When something is shorter, I text. However, I feel it is easier to keep track of photos, information via my email, in part, because I can look at it on my laptop/computer.

So as I read this thread, I kept wondering how whatsapp would be useful to me. I did some searching and for anyone interested I found this--https://www.wikihow.com/Why-Do-People-Use-WhatsApp

However what I learned here and through my searches, doesn't clarify why it is an improvement over texting and email. I can only get my messages and email when I have cell service or wifi. In the U.S., I always have cell service. In Europe and other parts of the world, I don't always have cell service so I have to wait until I have wifi. But, its the same with whasapp. I can't access messages unless I have wifi (or pay for a day of data)

I can do group texting, in fact, that's how I communicate with my family.

So, I'm back to wondering why I need whatsapp, except to communicate with folks in Europe who prefer it over other means of communication.

Thanks to the OP for the heads up. Granted the OP had issues that seemed unusual, but I would be EXTREMELY irritated if I was having to set up Whatsapp at the start of a vacation/tour, when there would be so much else to do.

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"doesn't clarify why it is an improvement over texting and email."

The main thing is being able to make free calls to others while traveling. We live overseas, travel a lot, have kids at university abroad and family all over the world, so find it useful for this.

Aside from that, everything here happens on whatsapp, including business deals - people have literally sent me contracts via WhatsApp. It would be completely impossible to function without it.

If you're traveling outside the US people are going to expect you to use it. It's like going to China and not being on WeChat.

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So, I'm back to wondering why I need whatsapp, except to communicate with folks in Europe who prefer it over other means of communication.

It isn't so much because someone in Europe "prefers" it over other means, but depending on their phone service, they can't send a text to a US based phone number, and they can't (or won't) make a phone call to a US phone number. WhatsApp is the perfect workaround for all concerned.

Real life example: I have a lifelong friend who lives in Poland, an American expat. He has a Polish phone number, and he called me yesterday via WhatsApp. Without WhatsApp, we would not be able to freely text or call each other.

In Europe, especially in the travel industry (hotels, restaurants, etc), everyone uses WhatsApp. If my hotel room is not ready for early check-in, I tell the desk to WhatsApp me...the uses are endless...

When in Rome...

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We were on a non-RS tour last year that used What's App for communication. It was very effective at communicating changes and problems. Much better than trying to send group texts to everyone. Tour members used it to share photos after the tour. I thought it was a good tool, and have used it to communicate with other people overseas since. It's pretty much like Skype, but better.

But I agree that RSE should tell people ahead of time so they can download the app and practice with it.

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I’ve been using WhatsApp since 2016, mostly to communicate with people in other countries or while I’m traveling, but also with others who live in the U.S. I recently took a tour in Australia and WhatsApp was the only means of communication with the guide and the other tour members. Obviously not everyone travels with a phone or wants to use the app, but rarely a day goes by that I don’t receive at least one message.

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I thought it was a good tool, and have used it to communicate with other people overseas since. It's pretty much like Skype, but better.

Yes, better than Skype, and better than FaceTime.

When abroad, to communicate with family back in the US, we use WhatsApp. Last Christmas, my wife and I were in Paris, our son was in the US, and our daughter was in Japan - except for figuring out the best time to have a group call, WhatsApp made it a breeze...I no longer use Facetime, only use WhatsApp...

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In September 2024 I did an OAT tour to Japan and we were told that WhatsApp would be used by the tour guide in addition to other written forms of communication. Our tour guide would typically take photos of each tour participant when we were at a tour experience, e.g., making sushi, pounding mochi, making washi paper, and post them on the WhatsApp group chat along with group photos. Because she posted those photos each person was able to download some photos they would not have been able to obtain, and it helped that she was a very good photographer. I have dozens and dozens of wonderful photos of our trip.
Our guide also used WhatsApp for spontaneous communications like ‘if you want a good ramen restaurant try XYZ’. “Who wants to go out for dinner at 6:30?” It worked perfectly and most members or at least one member of each couple was in the chat group. It is so helpful and easy to be able to check a texted schedule and if there are last minute changes the whole group is informed. I thought it improved communication and sharing within the tour group.

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My tour group used WhatsApp in Sicily in March and then last month in France and I loved it. On the Sicily tour it was set up by one of our tour members and he provided a QR code for those who wanted to join the group. On the France tour our guide set it up. On both tours the guides still posted a printed itinerary each day at the hotel and also on the app. I loved it as an easy way to view the itinerary, find people to meet up for happy hour, when someone had trouble finding the bus, and especially for sharing pictures. It was an awesome tool. We did have a couple of people who weren't comfortable using it but it was not a big deal and they worked around it. And both groups have used it as a way to stay in touch after returning home. I'm a big fan of this tool!! And to second someone else's comment, it works well with wifi at the hotels so no data plan needed.

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Out of 11 tours only 1 has used WhatsApp for information to the whole group and it was great. But now that I have and know about WhatsApp I always input the tour leader’s number while I’m on the tour and send them one communication to put me into their phone. That way if I had an emergency or some other event I could get in touch 24/7 while on tour. I’m a solo traveler and I like that backup if I need it.

On my recent VI tour I had a health concern pop up right at the start of our walking tour in Lucca. I told Trina, our guide, what was up and I needed to go back up to my room for medication. She started using WhatsApp to check on me, and then when I popped my pills and my heart was back in rhythm I was able to catch up with the group with her giving me location updates and finish a great walking tour. I’m all in favor of this as a terrific communication tool.

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"That’s not how WhatsApp works. You need to have someone’s phone number before you can send them a message via WhatsApp. Unlike Facebook or Instagram, you can’t look up someone if you only have their name. "

Yeah, no. Many ways exist. Google "how do I find someone on whatsapp without their phone number" => many hits

"CompanionLink Blog
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If all you have is just their name, you’re in luck. You can find anyone on WhatsApp without having their phone number with a reverse name lookup App.

https://www.companionlink.com/blog/2022/05/best-way-to-find-someone-on-whatsapp-without-phone-number/

"I think it’s paranoid to think there’s something Big Brother going on. I did have a European friend who switched to Signal when Meta bought WhatsApp..."

No, I don't think it's "Big Brother". Facebook as a company is disgusting and I don't want to have anything to do with them. I considered using WhatsApp until Facebook bought them. Now, no way.

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Lyndash, not all commonly prescribed, in the US, arrhythmia meds are universally available in Europe. I have to get mine by courier from another EU country.

WhatsApp is currently the most universal and easiest to use. Facebook or no Facebook its almost a necessity here.

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"You can find anyone on WhatsApp without having their phone number with a reverse name lookup App."

There are sites where you can look up someone's mobile number with a name, but these systems are very limited, and restricted mainly to people who've already posted their number publicly. And if you have their number you don't need whatsapp, you can just call or text them. At least with WhatsApp it's easy to block spammers.

Bottom line is whatsapp is a far more secure messaging platform that the traditional phone/text. If you don't want to use it, fine, but you're making life difficult when traveling outside the US.

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I'll just add for those that don't already use What'sApp - IF you are downloading for a tour, be sure to move it to the front "page" of your phone. It notifies you when there are messages you haven't read.

I think someone upthread hit on the reason why most in the US are unaware of WA. With home cell service everyone I communicate with uses texts either individually or groups or uses FB Messenger. I started using WA in Europe when I did not have full data coverage there and just used WIFI. Since Covid I realized I needed to have data coverage when out and around so I can get texts to my regular number but still use WA as a 1st choice when traveling.

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"There are sites where you can look up someone's mobile number with a name..."

The sites are very limited because laws/governments keep them that way. The "Apps" as that one example I showed, use freely available databases of public name/phone numbers. Try and prevent those from getting out. Too late.

It's still slow for SPAM and whatnot on WhatsApp but that's coming. Unless Facebook/Meta (surprise!) does more behind the scenes, because they can.

[shrug]

Most people seem to prefer the convenience to the possible issues. I don't.

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@RobertH; what the article you linked to describes is how you can find someone’s phone number. It doesn’t describe how to hack into someone’s WhatsApp or something.

Quote from the article:
“Reverse name lookup apps, much like a CRM system managing contacts, are phone number search engines. They operate by taking a name and scouring public databases to uncover a matching phone number.
If the person you’re looking for has their phone number publicly listed, the reverse name lookup will find it for you.”

And yes, when they find your phone number they can send you a WhatsApp message, but they can also call you or send you a text. So I’m not really sure what your concern is in relation to WhatsApp.

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"@RobertH; what the article you linked to describes is how you can find someone’s phone number. It doesn’t describe how to hack into someone’s WhatsApp or something. "

I was responding to Simon who said the "sites" for that phone number lookup is limited/restricted. Yes, but the databases aren't. So, soon, not yet, it will be easy to look up people on WhatsApp if you only have a name. So, all the problems of normal phone networks. Nothing new there.

My other concern, is Facebook. And I won't have anything to do with that piece of crap if I can possibly help it.

Only one example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook_content_management_controversies#Incitement_of_human_rights_abuses_in_Myanmar

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The chairman of the U.N. Independent International Fact-Finding Mission on Myanmar stated that Facebook played a "determining role" in the Rohingya genocide.[100] Facebook has been accused of enabling the spread of Islamophobic content which targets the Rohingya people.[101] The United Nations Human Rights Council has called the platform "a useful instrument for those seeking to spread hate".[102]

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Very interesting thread! I see two main viewpoints, both of which are valid, but with different contexts which the 'other side' is having trouble understanding.

1. For world travelers / communicators who like to keep in touch easily and instantly with others world wide, and for residents of countries where WhatsAp is pervasive, WhatsAp sounds like a great tool.
2. But there are also many people (Jules described this viewpoint well, and I am in this camp) who are US based, where 99% of our communication throughout the year is with other US folks, none of whom use WhatsAp.

When Emily says 'How do people in the US even communicate these days?', the answer is via text, email, and phone calls. As a US resident, I have never had one instance within the US where I couldn't easily complete my communication with somebody via either text, email, or phone call. So why would I even think about adding WhatsAp, when all of my communication needs are being easily met?

Now, if I am a member of camp #2, but who once a year goes to Europe for a few weeks, and if I find it impractical to communicate while in Europe without WhatsAp, then I should consider using it while I am there. And if I wanted the ability to keep in constant touch with others while there, and WhatsAp made that much easier, I guess I would do so.
But another idea that some of the posters may not be appreciating is that I use my time in Europe to 'get away'' from constant contact and technology. If desired, I can connect with people via wi-fi when I get back to the hotel at night; or in an emergency, I can find wi-fi when out and about. But other than that, it's not a problem to be unconnected, it's a refreshing break, and one of the things I enjoy about being in Europe.

Good discussion; happy travels to all!

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One of the things we've appreciated about the many RS tours we taken is the absence of technology. We find it wonderful to not have to be constantly checking our phones for anything. Technology doesn't always work as it should (as cited above) and it's sure to cost money using the phone overseas. As long as it's optional, to each his own. But if it becomes mandatory.........well, there is always independent travel.

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You can obviously use email and text but the functionality is much different to WhatsApp. I’ve had been said multiple times, its use has just become part of the way of life here. Literally nothing g gets arranged or organised without a corresponding WhatsApp group - a group holiday, parties, hen dos, school events, sports events - nothing!

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"...without a corresponding WhatsApp group - a group holiday, parties, hen dos, school events, sports events - nothing!"

Then I'd say their purchase of WhatsApp was successful.

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@Emily

'How do people in the US even communicate these days?

Easily to other U.S. residents, using their mobile phone’s native apps for messaging and calls. U.S. phone plans don’t charge extra for communications within the U.S. I do group chats, etc using Apple messages app in the U.S. Most people in the U.S. only communicate with other people in the U.S. so there is no price incentive for them to switch to WhatsApp; I think this is why most Americans don’t use WhatsApp.

I use WhatsApp to communicate with people in other countries so they don’t incur charges when they reply to me.

The biggest advantages of WhatsApp are that you can avoid international charges and your messages are encrypted.

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I’ve used it on the last couple of tours I’ve done (Not RS). They were 12 person tours and as a group, we set them up. It wasn’t something the guide did. It allowed sharing of photos if desired or just to say « hey, I’m down in the bar having a drink if anyone wants to join ».

There was no pressure to join the group chat or to stay in it after the tour ends.

It can also be used to make calls on wifi, rather than data.

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"I use WhatsApp to communicate with people in other countries so they don’t incur charges when they reply to me."

"Most people in the U.S. only communicate with other people in the U.S. so there is no price incentive for them to switch to WhatsApp;"

That's why. WhatsApp main use is to get around Telecom fees for long distance calls. The ones your Countries/Companies use to pay for Telecom infrastructure. Like BnB, Uber/Lyft "disrupting" things. That only now are getting "push back" from Governments. Europe has lots of Countries, lots of Border crossing Telecom fees. Until the Internet allowed such as WhatsApp to piggy back on it and get around all the traditional markets/controls.

Is it perhaps a coincidence to hear of all the Telecom equipment and Company failures? Perhaps...

What was that maxim I've heard recently? "There is nothing free in life." Not true, but...

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RobertH, speaking from my very limited experience, a Telecom phone in Hungary, all of the EU is "free" to call. I don't incur additional cost until I leave the EU. The odd thing is that from within the EU I can only call numbers in the EU, but once out of the EU, I can call the world for a cost. I even get some "free" data when out of the EU. Pretty much unlimited internet in the EU. And I have an expensive service, almost $35 a month.

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As Carole mentioned above, OAT uses WhatsApp consistently on its tours. It has proven to be tremendously valuable, and those without a data plan get messages when they return to the hotel. People exchange photos and make plans. You always have the daily schedule with you to look up. (Even if you don't have a data plan, you can see all the messages you previously received.)

On one recent tour, a few folks preferred not to use WhatsApp, and the Tour Leader sent them the info via email.

OAT Tour Leaders always send a welcome email ahead of the trip with a lot of practical information, and it always mentions the use of WhatsApp and recommends getting it set up in advance. Too bad this didn't happen with the RS tour. I'm sure they will rectify that if they decide to roll it out on all their tours.

And by the way, when the tour leader sets up a WhatsApp group, all you see are phone numbers; no names are attached. The only way your name gets attached is if you post to the group. If you only receive messages and don't send any, no one will see your name on WhatsApp.

I can understand why some people prefer not to use WhatsApp, or even that some people prefer to roll back the clock to a technology-free travel experience. But in 2025, the world, for better or for worse, has moved on. We already see so many aspects of travel that used to be managed by phone calls to human beings now require a device. And we're all here on this forum, which only exists because of technology. Resistance may well be futile.

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@Mr. E: Yes, and from what I've heard that's a great deal.

Not so true in other places, and even more to the point, anyone remember how "stiff" the telecoms used to be about fees/services/etc? "Ma Bell" was well known in this Country and I've heard horror stories of worse in other Countries. They haven't been like that in quite a while. They've been seeing their subsidies and protected markets evaporating and have been struggling to adapt.

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There are 100M of active users of Whats App in the US.

The tour we had used Whatsapp to share pictures, etc., but the main info was always in the hotel lobby.

You don't need a cell plan, but you need to connect to wifi once in a while to get the messages.

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I'm trying to understand why a purportedly "small-group" tour group needs to use any sort of app for tour communications.

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Even on a small group tour, people only spend a small portion of every 24 hours actually with the group. If the guide receives information in the evening that affects something the group is doing the next morning it would be a way to inform the group.

On my Belgium/Netherlands tour in April, our guide suggested we could reach him using WhatsApp, but a group wasn't set up.

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I've removed a few posts to nip something in the bud. I think good opinions have been shared, and it doesn't help if they are repeated. Carry on...

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Hello! It appears you have a lot of responses to date, but I'll just add one more. This also happened to us on the RS Best of Italy 17 day tour last year. It was announced at the initial meeting, and I was able to download the app without any issues from the app store. I have an Android phone. I found the service good for those who wanted to use it, but it was used infrequently to never by the guide. I attempted to reach out to the guide on off hours during the tour without success, but was able to communicate with others who actively used the app. As others noted, it may be that What's App is something everyone can use regardless of services, purchases of sim cards, no smart phone, etc. The Wifi on board the RS Best of Italy in 17 days tour bus worked well for the most part, but had limited download bandwidth. Our tour guide did pass around the schedule of events daily, as well as the events posted in the lounge of all hotels. Even though on this particular tour, the guide was not available 24/7, it was still an enjoyable experience, and there was great communication.

agree that What's app should be noted for the tour is that is the preferred mode of communication. However, as I and others have stated, not everyone used or accessed What's app.

Cheers, and happy traveling! (-:

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After all this commenting, I'm wondering if any of us would be game if I started a new thread in the tech section of the forum inviting people to join a practice WhatsApp group chat --

we could put some limits on it, like an ending date of June 30th when I could delete it,
and some finger-wagging about attempting ads or promos ...

Anyone want to give it a go?

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Maybe naïve but I don’t see how Meta makes money off my use of WhatsApp, nor do I see how they can profile me, or even know my name (I’m not on Facebook).

Noting that iMessage deletes texts and the attached pictures on a rolling 1 year anniversary. WhatsApp text strings are maintained indefinitely,

When a group is entirely in the US and uses iPhones there’s really no need for WhatsApp.

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After I signed up for WhatsApp I noticed that someone had gone through my kitchen cabinets.

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Mr E, my bad. That was me. I went through your kitchen cabinets. I was looking for a piece of the true cross. According to my sources on the Dark Web (obtained from Meta), you were last seen having smuggled pieces of it during your last trip to Texas where rumor has it, many pieces can be found at a 7 & 11 outside of Austin.

No worries. I won’t be going in your cabinets again. I want to be clear though. Everything I did was completely above board. I asked Meta to update the terms of service which now clearly state that I can rummage through your kitchen cabinets once a year. READ THE FINE PRINT BUDDY!

Also, piece of advice, avoid big tech firms like Meta. You are the product and yes, Soylent Green is people!

Happy Travels.

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Noting that iMessage deletes texts and the attached pictures on a rolling 1 year anniversary. WhatsApp text strings are maintained indefinitely,

You can keep imessages indefinitely too. It is a setting. If yours are being deleted at one year, you’ve set the ”Keep Messages” to ”1 year” rather than ”forever”

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You can keep imessages indefinitely too.

There’s something else going on because despite my phones always being on the “forever” setting, messages are still deleted after 1 year, across 3 phones over 12 years I’ve never changed this setting.

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Anyone want to give it a go?

I'm in. I have trouble figuring out how to make a call. I'm ok with messaging.

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Personally, my wife and I are kind of sick of having to have an app for seemingly everything these days. We had to have What's App on a previous non-RS tour that was pretty large, about 40 people. Once we got home we never used it again. At the initial meeting for our recent RS Belgium and Holland tour, the guide announced he had set up a What's App group for communication with him and other tour members. He rattled off his phone number for us to join the group but presented it as optional. Being caught unawares, we fumbled around with the app while the guide continued to talk about other things. Finally, after being unsuccessful at setting up an app we didn't really want to use, we gave up and that was that. I guess we missed whatever other people might have communicated, but we never felt like we missed anything. I suppose if they end up requiring it for tour groups, we'll deal, but if that's the case it should be made known in pre-tour documents.

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I have trouble figuring out how to make a call. I'm ok with messaging.

open the chat you are having with the person you want to call. tap the phone handset icon in the upper right corner. You get a voice call. It will ring, you can use the ear speaker like a traditional phone, or the loud speaker and have the phone at a greater distance like a speakerphone.

If on the other hand you tap the icon which looks like a movie camera you get a video call.

questions? I can go into more detail if desired

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Personally, my wife and I are kind of sick of having to have an app for seemingly everything these days.

My spouse and I are also sick and tired of it. Someone said in an earlier post "Resistance may well be futile." Perhaps, but perhaps not. We will resist until it becomes an absolute necessity rather than another technological pain in the anatomy. We use technology, but do our best to not let technology use us, and really don't care to have it forced upon us.

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Regarding the idea of 'resistance is futile'... I think that phrase can paint a picture that there is an 'all or nothing' decision or mindset. We are all being bombarded with many, many new options for apps, social media, blogs, podcasts, etc. For me, the challenge is to pick out the few that I feel add value for my lifestyle. The others, I don't think of myself as 'resisting'; I'm just choosing not to use them because I don't see how they add value for me.

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"Resistance may well be futile."

Don't care.

People seem to misunderstand. I don't think I'm going to be hacked or whatever from Facebook if I signup with Whatsapp. I recognize that I'm a very small part of the data they're hovering up. And it probably only affects me a small amount, if that.

As I said before, I regard Facebook as a disgusting piece of [censored]. So, no, I don't want to do any business with such a Company. EVEN if it seems beneficial. Or rather if the net interaction is beneficial (with small damage). Like using WhatsApp for Tour group.

I'm done.