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Anyone Else on the Best of Italy May 24 Tour?

I'm hoping to connect with fellow tour members before the trip. I'm so looking forward to this Italian extravaganza! I know the chances are slim of finding anyone on the tour through the forums, but I figured it was worth a try. This will be my 5th RS tour and my 3rd tour in Italy (but my 6th trip to Italy overall). I also speak Italian!

I'm planning to arrive a few days early to explore a few places on my own. I plan to stay in Milan for 1-2 days before the tour begins. (I've only ever seen the inside of the Milan train station previously.)

Alternately, if you've been on this tour recently and have any recommendations, please feel free to share!

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I did this tour in October 2022. My biggest goal was to see Otzi the Iceman and to do a little hiking in the Alpe di Siusi. Mission accomplished!

Here are some thoughts:

  • Do you have a hotel in Milan yet? I am a solo female traveler and have stayed at the Hotel Gran Duca di York twice. I like the location and the staff is awesome and helpful. They have a good breakfast as well. I'm not normally a breakfast eater but the first day or so until my stomach catches up with the clock I usually eat, lol.

  • IF you want to see the Last Supper, watch their website and get a ticket thru them. You'll need that well in advance. For the Duomo, I did the Fast Track elevator to the roof ticket and enjoyed that even though I hate heights!

  • The train to Varenna is easy. No need to buy the ticket more than an hour or so before. I had downloaded the Trenord app (train company for this line) and bought my ticket in my hotel room as I was getting ready to leave. I had it on my phone and the conductor just scans it. IF you have a digital ticket you do not have to validate it which is a big thing with Italian train tickets.

  • On the transit from Varenna to Castelrotto we stopped in Verona for lunch and a walking tour. My guide didn't know where the public restrooms were located and encouraged everyone to go eat in a restaurant and use their facilities. I had the Italy guide as an ebook so looked at my Kindle app and saw Rick had very graciously noted the location of the public facilities. They were very nice so I used them and then got a sandwich from a food stall so I could walk around more. Do be aware that the walking tour does not go to Juliet's balcony as it is a recent construction. Some on my tour were disappointed. If this is important to you, I'd encourage you to read about it and keep the sandwich idea in mind so you can go see it!

  • On the transit day for Castelrotto to Venice, we stopped in Bolzano for the Otzi Museum and lunch on our own. Walking fromwhere the bus parked I scoped out a few takeaway places for a quick sandwich so I could spend all the time I needed in the Otzi museum. I was probably the last one to leave the museum, grabbed a falafel wrap and went to the designated meet up spot on a piazza to wait for the group to form. Keep this in mind as you walk thru town. There were lots of restaurants but I just don't want to spend time like that when I could be looking at something else, lol!

  • I stayed an extra day in Rome and got tickets for the Domus Aurea (Nero's Golden Palace that is now buried beneath feet and feet of rubble, lol) and the Borghese Gallery.

This is an excellent tour! If it would be helpful to you, here is a link to my Trip Report.

https://community.ricksteves.com/travel-forum/trip-reports/best-of-italy-sept-30-october-16-2022

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Buongiorno, Anna! You will love this tour! We felt that every location was a “wow” one!

I’m glad you are planning to arrive a few days early, so you can get over jet lag and also explore more yourself. A couple of places I will mention that are within an hour train ride from Milan are Cremona - the home of Stradavarius, which has a gorgeously frescoed cathedral interior, a solid core clock tower to climb and the violin museum with concerts on weekends. Or, Bergamo with a funicular up to Citta Alta, the medieval upper section of the city with some amazing architecture. I have stayed in both and recommend them for something a little different from your tour itinerary stops. Either would be a nice day trip if you want an activity outside Milan.

The Italian trains have changed their validation process for even digital app tickets now as of 2023. There’s a couple of posts on this forum, and this explains some of it. Unfortunately, we have to “check in” digitally, so you can just do it when you buy your ticket as long as it is the same day and at least five minutes before the time the train arrives.
https://www.trenitalia.com/en/purchase/digital-regional-ticket.html

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Thank you for the recommendations! This tour, for whatever reason, starts in Lecco rather than Varenna. They also provided info that we'll be staying in Bolzano for the Dolomites portion, so hopefully I'll have some time to explore the town.

Pam, thanks for your trip report & the info about Verona. I've visited Juliet twice in Verona and don't really feel the need to go again (despite my best efforts, she's not given me any luck in love!). I would actually prefer if we visited someplace I haven't been before, but I guess I'll see what the guide chooses for our tour. (Looking at the scrapbooks from 2023, it looks like another tour that stayed in Bolzano stopped en route from Varenna in Trento - I would be excited to visit some place new!)

Jean, thank you for the info about the train validations. This sounds much easier than remembering to use the validation machines at the stations in the early 2000s! I actually don't even remember validating them when I was in Italy in 2022, so maybe they had already shifted to the new digital check in and I just don't remember.

I will definitely be checking out the Duomo in Milan and I hope to see the Last Supper if I'm able to get tickets. Now I'm tempted to extend my time in Milan if possible for a possible side trip to Bergamo!

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Oh that is interesting. There had been a landslide outside Varenna that affected the tracks last year so perhaps there is some rail line issue or there is something going on in Varenna. Still, it's on the lake so should be fun!

Staying in Bolzano, the tour bus will take you up to Alpe di Siusi for your day of hiking in the Dolomites which is just awesome. You will have MUCH better choices for dinners there over Castelrotto. That would be cool if the guide chose to stop in Trento!

I think I put this in my TR but in Venice I did my own thing. I'd done a couple of RS tours in Venice so had done the walking tour. I went to St Marks so I would be there for the lighting of the ceiling mosaics (stunning!) and in the afternoon went to the Ca' Rezzonica museum because they have 2 big Canaletto paintings I wanted to see. IF you've been to places before, don't be shy about making this your own trip. I just made sure I told the guide and my buddy and headed out. I did the same in Rome, skipped the Colosseum/Forum and did my own thing. I SHOULD have skipped the Vatican Museums because as before they are uncomfortably crowded but I did stay longer and saw some other museum areas that I'd not explored before.

Jean, thanks for the info on validating. I admit I had not kept up on that as I've not got Italy in my sights for my next few trips. Good to know you have to check in!

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Here’s what I noted about Bergamo in my trip report in 2022, just in case you like sketching or watercolor, too!

Bergamo: Bergamo had been on my short list; what a treasure! Three days to enjoy exquisite architecture of the upper Citta Alta – wow! Nothing in upper Bergamo is flat! Lots of up or down - a great workout with beautiful sites!

My first day in Bergamo was the students’ last day of class, so there were cheerful happy voices everywhere. Don’t stay in this medieval area if you don’t like the sound of bells. At night they still ring the bells 100 times because of tradition!
My second day in Bergamo was Art Day! I tried to avoid most indoor activities this trip because of the requirement to test negative to return to the US, but I really wanted to enjoy an Italian art museum again & see some of the work of my favorite Italian painters at the Accademia Carrara Museum! I arrived early and was the only person viewing each floor! That’s a major reason why I love going to the “less touristy towns” - gorgeous art to enjoy at a leisurely pace with no crowd crazies taking selfies in the museum. That afternoon I had an enjoyable private outdoor sketching class with a very nice, very patient artist – Martin Cambriglia (contact is [email protected]). He & I both sketched the front of the Basilica di Santa Maria Maggiore through an archway, sitting in the shade.

The next morning, Martin, the young man who was yesterday’s art instructor, met with me for his outdoor watercolor class. We both painted the Piazza Vecchio’s main building & clock tower. It included the lion with the wings on the building, and the tall medieval walls around the upper city are also called the Venetian Wall. Martin spent more time with me than I expected, and I really appreciated his care & professional attitude to help me as a beginner. I was glad some people stopped to watch us paint and asked for his business card. I learned so much from him just in those two days and now have two treasured art pieces with wonderful memories for my walls at home!
Bergamo is the city that was hit so hard when Covid began. Remember the news articles in early 2020 when Italian doctors were forced to make the heart-wrenching decision who would & would not receive medical help and hearses drove by the windows of a home as the last goodbye? I had wondered as I was planning this trip if I would still see the older men gathering socially like they had in the past. I saw much less and so far none in Bergamo. But late afternoon my second day, I was studying the astronomical clock laid out on the ground in 1857. An elderly man came up to me and started speaking in Italian. We did a few broken words back & forth to get across what I was looking at and where the sun would peer over the Duomo to line up the day-of-the-year on the ground. Then he motioned for me to come into the Duomo with him. I didn’t have a blouse with covered sleeves and motioned, but he insisted. He showed me some very special items that I wouldn’t have noticed. He wished me well. I really appreciated that he was willing to share some of his treasured pieces of Bergamo with me, as I’m sure it has been a difficult two years for him.

At Bergamo I stayed in two different hotels near each other. I specifically stayed at the Gombit Hotel two nights because they had refunded my money on my non-refundable reservation in 2020. I definitely wanted to support them this trip in appreciation! It’s a remodeled glamorous hotel adjacent to the Citta Alta Gombit Tower - a special first class experience and nicer than most of my other hotels. My first night, I also stayed at Hotel Piazza Vecchia. Although more modest, my room was still spacious