I just got back from 2 weeks in Provence & Paris, our first trip to France. I am mystified as to how the French people got this bad rap for being rude.
To a person...nobody, not one single person was rude, impatient, snooty, or any of those other attributes they are supposedly famous for. On the contrary, everyone was friendly, accommodating, patient, warm and generous. I must say my wife and I were prepared for this trip and made the effort to use our caveman French. That mainly got us some blank looks. But by being polite and using the niceties like "s'il vous plaît", "merci", "bonjour monsieur" etc, we almost always coaxed a smile from people faces.
Oddly enough, the whole frigging world is the same way. It's getting almost impossible to find buttheads anymore.
I know. There has been a plague of niceness. It's sickening
I found the "secret" is to be polite and at least TRY to speak French to people in France. Demanding people speak English in France would be like a French person coming to the US and demanding we speak French. Get one of Rick's French Phrase Books (http://travelstore.ricksteves.com/catalog/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog&parent_id=164) and figure out the question you need to ask, and go for it! Usually, the person you're speaking with will realize you can't speak French and will speak to you in English. But they will appreciate the effort.
No, no, no! The French aren't rude...it's the Icelanders...they're rude as hell!
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Didn't we just have this discussion last week?
... and the week before.
Seems to rise repeatedly , like Vampires in Transylvania
Just my 2 cents worth. I visit the helpline as often as I do Europe.
Even though this topic has come up a lot of times, I am always glad for the opportunity to help dispel the notion that the French are rude. Most of the Americans who say that the French are rude have never been to France, or even outside the U.S., as far as I can tell. My wife and I were last in France in 2010, and we witnessed no hint of stereotypical French rudeness (which was consistent with three prior visits). We found the cafe service was especially good, especially in Paris. Watching a cafe server go about his/her business is very entertaining; they are true professionals.
Ray, you should try doing both more often. Much more fun.
I appreciate your post Ray. Thank you. I'm glad you had a good time in France and for new Helpline readers it's good to hear.
I found the French super friendly and helpful. My mother has bad hips and back and couldn't climb the steps up to the Arc De Triomphe and was upset. So we politely asked the elevator person if all 3 of us could ride up the elevator together and she gave us a huge smile and said, "Of course, no problem at all."
she even said have a marvelous day and talked with us all the way to the top and even let us ride down again. There was also a nice Italian restaurant on the Champs Ellyese and the manager was so friendly and funny. He flirted with my mom and even gave me small French flag on a sitck for free. I love the French!!
The French are very rude. Especially in Paris. I keep going back hoping to find someone nice. ;-)
Andrea, maybe you went to the Paris in las Vegas
In each country I have been to I found the tourists to be the rudest.
Brendon, my comment was a joke. Didn't you see the winky face? I love Paris. That's why I keep going back. I've never been to Las Vegas and don't have any desire to go there.
Ray, Perhaps you've just experienced the new French program, Do You Speak Touriste. Government and tourism agencies in France have launched this new program to correct the perception of "rudeness" in France, and make the country as welcoming for visitors as possible. Here's one story on it: www.theglobeandmail.com/life/travel/do-you-speak-touriste-paris-tries-to-shed-its-legendary-rudeness/article12667488/ I was just in Paris in early July, and I also found the people to be excellent hosts. Cheers!
Ray, I hope you'll do a trip report. Would love to hear about where you stayed, what you liked, etc. There is now a trip report section of the Helpline.
Here's what I love about this site....I'm going to Paris exactly one month from today and am visiting the Helpline and Trip Reports everyday to gather any information about France and Paris I possibly can. And I love the freedom of polite expression! Avoir un merveilleux après-midi!
My Friends French Au pair says it is actually the people in Paris that are rude not the French in General. I have to agree with her observations.
It's always my friend's au pair, my business partner's daughter, my neighbour's brother-in-law, isn't it? Could we hear from someone who has PERSONALLY suffered rudeness from a French man or woman for absolutely no reason whatsoever?
I have been to France 6 times after living there for almost a year and found the French to be a bit arrogant but not rude. I agree with my fellow posters. However, my business partner's daughter just returned from a trip to Europe where she spent the day in Strasbourg and was literaly kicked out of two restaurants as she and her friend did not speak French. She says they were not being rude and at least said Bon jour and parley vous anglais?
Anyone have a similar experience in that town?
I was in France for 10 days in 2009 and the people I encountered for help were extremely helpful and kind. I was very surprised as I went with a perception that they are not.
David, if it is true that your friend's daughter & companion got "kicked out of" a restaurant in Strasbourg because they could not speak French they should have gone to the nearest police station to make a complaint. Frankly I would need to hear all the details of that story before I would believe it!
Sorry David, I don't believe your partner's daughter's story for one second. Especially.. twice. If it happened at all, there's much more to the story than what you've been told. No restaurant is going to kick someone out because they don't speak French. That is beyond, beyond ridiculous.
Strasbourg? It's more of a multinational city than Singapore, Beirut, or Shanghai. Stand on a corner and count the languages that pass by. Hard to believe it would happen once, let alone twice. And in a place that makes money off the people that come in to feed their faces? Give that kid the third degree. Something's happened that she didn't fess up about.
As to the international flavour of Strasbourg, just look at the array of flags as you leave the train station. In the mid-90s my first time to Strasbourg time my French was next to nothing, I used German instead.
Seat of the European Parliament-- I doubt the story too. My son lived and worked in Strasbourg for a year. He found the people reserved but very nice.
Okay, Norma, if you really insist: Marseille. 1969. Wee hours. Got my butt beat to a pulp in a bar fight. Obviously through no fault of my own. Satisfied?
http://news.yahoo.com/paris-ramps-tourist-security-amid-chinese-concerns-203429637.html "France is the world's most-visited country and solid tourism revenues are a bright spot in its depressed economy. But reports of pickpockets and muggers targeting Chinese tourists have soared of late, tarnishing the French capital's image as a favored destination for love-struck couples and high-end shoppers." "Staff at the Louvre went on strike in April over a surge in pickpockets, shutting the world's most-visited museum for a day."
C'mon Ed! That's assault, not common rudeness. You're changing the discussion.
@Edgar, you need to read further. Those aren't French people targeting the tourists but gangs from Eastern Europe.
I are not. Just didn't give all the details. It was twixt us and the Brits. The French joined late and split their selfs up to keep it even. Had they not been rude they would have all piled in on our side.
I've spent 7 yrs of my life in Paris and it is not my experience that Parisians are rude. Quite the contrary. I've seen many, many examples of rude Americans in Paris and I am sure they are the ones that come home and say Parisians are rude. I've seen such blatant rudeness from American tourists that I've actually gone up to the French person and apologized to them. I still cringe at the last one I witnessed. Can't change the mindset of ignorant people.
Sorry, there HAS to be more to the business partner's daughter story that meets the eye. I simply can't imagine being kicked out for not speaking French. Twice. At different places. Nope, something's wrong. I've been to Alsace every year for many, including Strasbourg, and across the river in Germany, and throughout the Vosges and into Lorraine. I've interacted with hundreds of people there. Never would I expect any restauranter to throw out polite paying customers. It don't stand up. Makes a good dig-at-the-French-I-only-eat-Freedom-Fries story. Or actually, not very good.
When I lived in Provence in 1966-67, I sometimes found people in Paris to be arrogant and/or rude, especially in contrast to Provence. However, on return trips since 2000, I was amazed at how polite, helpful and accommodating they are. A story from the 1960s, as an example:
My French wasn't great, but it was passable, and I was in France studying French. At a Paris hotel, in the morning, when I was asked what I wanted and replied "Un chocolat chaud," the surprised server queried, "Un journal??" Now, the only choices were café, thé, or chocolat chaud, but he continued to refuse to understand my rendition of "chocolat chaud" with about 3-4 repeats of this interaction! I was getting close to tears, but I'm sure he helped me improve my pronunciation!
@ED -- too hilarious. Those rude French who didn't join in the fight on your side!!!!
The whole premise of the "people from country zzzz are ccccc" is an egregious stereotyping that, frankly, annoys me often here on Helpline. I think many travelers want to have full labels they can stick to whole populations of countries they visit, only to seek confirmation bias once they arrive.