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Our trip to Germany/France

We got back on the 23rd but haven't had a lot of time to post about it. Thanks to everyone who answered my questions or participated in this board because I read a lot of what was posted by other people too.

I had been stationed in Germany nearly 20 years ago and wanted to take my kids there and show them around. They are teens and I wish I had done it when they were younger (pre-teens) or adults now. They were bored silly 90% of the time, or so they said. My next big trip I will be going alone.

When I started planning the trip over a year ago, a co-worker/friend joined in and so did one of my son's friends. So, we ended up being a group of 5.

Our first day we had a little difficulty finding a taxi big enough for all of us and our backpacks. Finally, we found a van driver who drove us to the downtown pick up office for our car rental. I think next time I go, if I do, I will just pay extra and pick it up at the airport. It was a nightmare trying to find my way out of downtown Frankfurt without a GPS or a city map. When we left I dropped it off at the airport, which was a little more expensive but worth it.

After finding our way onto the autobahn we drove to the old air base where I had been stationed, which is now Hahn airport. Things sure have changed and it was a little depressing. I didn't stay long but went back later in the trip and found an old maintemance unit area I thought may have been the one I worked in. Crumbling buildings, garbage dump/recycling center? and barbed wire still on the fences. It was kinda depressing. It was also confusing as the roads around the airport/old base have changed so much. I also found two of the little towns where I used to live, one unrecognizable as it had tripled in size and the other about the same...found that old house.

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We then drove to Traben-Trarbach and we got out and walked to Grevensburg castle ruins that overlook the Mosel river. That, at least had not changed at all. Beautiful views and the restaurant is still there.

I'm going to have to finish this later, got a friend on their way over right now. Sorry....

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Yes, Kathleen, re Hahn airport--I guess there hasn't been much of a market for used air force bases in Germany in the last 18 years or so. One of the budget airlines (can you guess which one?) refers to Hahn airport as "Frankfurt-Hahn"--which comes as an unpleasant surprise to the unsuspecting who eagerly book the surprisingly low airfares, it not occurring to them that an airport called Frankfurt-Hahn could actually be 75 miles from Frankfurt (and is sometimes called Ha-Ha Hahn (this I learned from Lee of Denver) by the victims...I mean...customers who were fooled once).

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We then drove down to the Mosel River and to Beilstein, the first place we stayed: Winzerschenke, recommended by R.S. Nice, cute place, nice young couple run it.

The next day we went to Reichsburg castle in Cochem, went on the tour. I had wanted to go to the medieval dinner but when I called they insisted they had no English speaking dinners and you had to know German to get anything out of the experience so I didn't book it.

Next day we went to Burg Eltz, it was very hot and when we went on the English speaking tour there was a family with screaming/crying babies. The tour guide was getting irritated because we couldn't hear him and he kept having to stop talking. We walked down the paved road instead of through the forest, the way I remember going when I lived there. It wasn't quite the same effect. I just couldn't remember how to get there through the forest and didn't take R.S. guidebook with me.

We spent 2 nights in Beilstein, it was nice, lot of stairs and fairly noisey. They stay open until their last customer leaves at night. Didn't really bother me even with the windows wide open because I was dead tired every night.

The next day we drove to the Rhein river and St. Goar. Rheinfels castle ruins was the best castle according to the kids. They took off without the adults as soon as we got inside the gates and we didn't see them again for 2 or 3 hours. Even us adults had fun, although, it was a lot scarier walking around in those tunnels, going down the steps, etc...when you know what can happen to you if you were to fall!

I bought a replacement cookoo clock in St. Goar, for the one that broke about 2 or 3 months after I brought it to the states.

We spent the next 2 nights in Bacharach at the youth hostel in the castle. The kids weren't thrilled with all the younger, noisy kids. I slept like a rock.

Next day we drove to what I thought was a volksmarch. IVV sent me the info but no volksmarch happening in that town.

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We then drove to Traben-Trarbach for their wine fest but the activities had barely begun. My co-worker got to do a little wine tasting...I don't drink alcohol.

We then drove to Rudeshiem to pick up our Rhine A Flame tickets and then drove to our hotel for that night. I didn't want to have to try to find it at midnight in the dark. We checked into our hotel and drove back to Rudeshiem, walked around town, took pictures and listened to a two man band sing "Country Roads". The teenagers played cards. They weren't interested in walking around town. They did enjoy the boat cruise and fireworks, though.

The next day we got up and drove to Rothenburg. We stayed in Karin Weiss' place, another R.S. recommendation. Nice place but we got our dates mixed up and she had to call her friend who had an apartment before we left for Germany to see if she had room for us there. She did...so we just had to change places after the first night. Kids liked the apartment better as they had German monopoly.

We walked the wall, took pictures, went to the Crime and Punishment museum, my daughter went to the doll/toy museum to get creeped out (she thinks porcelin dolls are scary) and went on the nightwatchmen's tour. The last was the highlight of the stay there. That man's making a killing. LOL! We ate both nights at an out of the way restaurant recommended by Karin Weiss, very nice atmosphere and good food.

Next day: very long drive toward Dinan, France. I saw pictures of the youth hostel and town & decided I wanted to go there and explore the town before heading to Mont. St. Michel the next morning, but we never made it that far. Had to call and cancel our reservations and we ended up in a nasty little Etap hotel somewhere outside of Paris. Don't drive in Paris or through it, just say "NO!"

Mont. St. Michel: very pretty, lot of tourists. If I had more time I would've stayed there over night but we didn't or I should say I chose not to.

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Too bad I didn't stay there longer instead of going to Paris for 3 days. The boys have been taking French and their teacher had told them about the famous omelets below Mont. St. Michel, but after going up and coming down they had a long wait for a table and we didn't get to eat there. We had to get to our next destination. They weren't too happy about it.

Next stop: Arromanches. We stayed in a hotel on a Canadian D-day beach. It was cool and windy the whole time we were there. My daughter wanted to try snails so we ordered a "seafood" platter with them on it. I didn't know it was going to come cold, everything on it was either raw or cold. Not one of our better meals on the trip but it was an experience. The boys liked French food, my daugher and I, not so much.

We went the next morning on the one day American tour with Battlebus. It was great and one of the few things the kids actually liked about the trip. They were bored most of the time, I guess because of all the riding in the car. They also didn't care for getting up so early, they wanted to sleep in all the time.

We spent 3 nights in Paris: the Louvre, top of the Eifel tower and the outside of: Notre Dame, Catecombes and D'Orsay museum. No one wanted to stand in line for Notre Dame or D'Orsay and we didn't make it in time to go into the Catecombes. We were there long before closing but because the line was so long we got turned away. We rode the Metro, one of the boats on the Seine and a bus, but mostly we walked. I know a lot of you love Paris but I still am not thrilled with it. I tried to go with an open mind but it's just not my thing. People were friendly and helpful but I guess I'm just not a big city person and the streets in Marais reaked of urine.

We then drove to Dachau, another long day in the car. Got there and one kid was sick to his stomach, and everyone was hot and tired. My daughter and I seemed the most interested in the displays/stories.

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We took my coworker to the airport the next morning in Frankfurt and then the kids and I drove to Rust. We just hung out in the Pension, I did laundry while the kids played foosball in their game room. They also have a rock climbing wall...of all things. Pension Sunnegaessle. Took two days for our laundry to dry as it rained the first night we were there. Next day we spent in Europa Park. The boys went off by themselves and rode the fastest rollercoaster in the world, supposedly. My daughter and I rode all the water rides trying our best to get wet and cooled off. It didn't always work so we just stood under one of the rides and let it soak us a couple times. Their Pirates of Bativia is still as cheesy as it always was and big rip off of Disney's Pirates of the Carribean-lol. Lines were as long as Disney's too, unfortunately. Oh, and we saw a family with baseball caps, in shorts and tennis shoes and I thought for sure they were Americans until I heard them speak.

Oh, I almost forgot, we did laundry one day in Rothenburg and a couple in there was reading a R.S. guidebook. I almost asked them if they ever read/posted on this site but didn't. Don't know why I didn't. They were the only people I recall with one of R.S.'s books.

We then went to Landstuhl and spent half the day looking around for the Broadway Keno. I had told them we would go there to watch the new Harry Potter movie. They also wanted to see Transformers so we spent two days in Landstuhl watching movies with a bunch of other Americans. I used to go down there all the time from Hahn when I was stationed there. Popcorn was much better then than it is now. They also assign you seats over there, which is actually kinda nice.

We then went to Traben-Trarbach and stayed in the youth hostel there. We never did make it to Trier like I had planned but did go on a little mine tour in Idar-Oberstein. I have no idea how I found it as we couldn't find anyone to give us directions

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I also don't remember it being such a big city! We spent one day in Koln at the zoo, and the last two at a lake paddleboating and elecktro boating.

If I had to do it again I would go alone. Teenagers, at least the ones I took didn't really seem to appreciate it much.

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Kathleen,

I know what you mean. We left a teenage daughter at home on one of our trips. We had taken her on a month trip through Mexico and she was horrid. The next trip (Europe for a month) we left her at grandma's house. She is older now and occasionally brings up the fact that we didn't take her, but she also knows why.

We have two teenage sons and a younger daughter who travel with us. The boys, while not always as joyful or excited as I might like, are generally patient and don't complain about anything. The daughter really enjoys stuff once she's there but is becoming more like her sister as she approaches those dreaded teen years.

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Kathleen,

I think you might enjoy Paris more in the off-season. I have been there twice around Christmas/New Year's and there aren't any crowds to speak of. The cooler weather also reduces odors considerably, LOL! I think you might also find your next trip much more enjoyable if you take a GPS with you if you rent a car again.

Incidentally, the kids are probably going to be talking about this trip in a few years as one of the highlights of their lives. Teens rarely seem to appreciate what is happening at the moment and look back on trips like this with great fondness leaving their parents scratching their heads wondering what happened to change the kids' minds.

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I too was stationed in Germany, in the Air Force, at Flugplatz Sembach, near Kaiserslautern, in the late 1960's. This assignment gave me lots of opportunities to travel around Germany, France, and Italy. It was great, but I have never had a burning desire to return to Kaiserslautern to see what has become of the air base. I'm sure it would prove depressing, as your experience did.

I hope your next trip to Europe is less stressful. In your case, I assume it was necessary because of schedules, but personally, I never travel to Europe in July or August. There are just too many tourists and the weather is too hot in most places.

Sorry you didn't get to go to the D'Orsay museum. But, you could come to San Francisco to see some of their collection! The D'Orsay is planning some major renovations and some of their most famous paintings will be on loan to the De Young museum here in San Francisco in 2010 and 2011. See New York Times article below.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/31/arts/design/31vogel.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=d%27orsay&st=cse

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Kathleen, Sounds like your trip had good moments and some not so good moments. Now I know why I am travelling alone for 19 days in Sept. If teens are hard to get along with @ home, you have no chance in Europe. Take away a cell phone and texting and most are in a daze not knowing what to do next. I still imagine your trip was worthwhile and exciting. Just go alone next time and you will enjoy the entire trip.