Itinerary Help - Germany/Austria/Venice or Prague

We are traveling to Germany, Austria and Venice/Prague in Jun of 2014 and would like some suggestions on my itinerary. The plan is as follows: Day 1/Day2: Overnight flight to Frankfurt. Arrive at 8am and rent car. Drive to Bacharach and see Bacharach and St. Goar. Spend the night in Bacharach Day 3: Drive to Burg Eltz and maybe see Cochem. Return to Bacharach Day 4: Drive to Marksburg, then drive to Rothenburg for remainder of the day. Day 5: Drive to Fussen - Visit Oberammergau, and stay in Fussen for the night Day 6: Visit Neuschwanstein and other castles and drive to Munich for the night and turn in the car Day 7: Take train to Dachau in the morning and spend rest of the day in Munich Day 8: Full day in Munich, maybe tour to Herrenchiemsee Day 9: Train to Salzburg. Site see and spend night in Salzburg Day 10: Full day in Salzburg to site see Day 11: Train to Hallstatt. Spend night in Hallstatt Day 12: Train to Vienna. Tour vienna and stay the night in Vienna Day 13: Full day in Vienna to tour. 2nd night in Vienna Day 14: Full day in Vienna Day 15: Fly to Venice - 2nd half of day tour Venice Day 16: Full day in Venice to tour Day 17: Fly out of Venice for home Or Day 15: Train to Prague Day 16: Full day in Prague Day 17: Fly out of Prague for home I know I have posted a lot but any thoughts on if the itinerary is doable and thoughts on Venice vs. Prague. My family has not been to either location. thanks,
David

Posted by David
Florence, AL, USA
1972 posts

You're planned itinerary might be moving a little too fast for seeing cities with such history, culture and art/music. It's virtually impossible to hit all the cities on your list, and your trip be anything but a blur. I've stayed at Bacharach a couple of times, and love the place to stay for a night. But it's not a destination for me. I have also been to Neuschwanstein/Oberammergau/Fussen and were a little disappointed (after all the hype.) Have you considered flying into Munich and open jaw out of Prague? Munich, Vienna and Prague are must see cities, and they're worthy of 4 days of your time. They're easily accessible via trains. Salzburg is a 2-3 day destination. Hallstadt and the lake are absolutely breathtaking scenery.
If you could limit your trip to these Great Cities, your trip will be very satisfying.

Posted by Sheryl
Walnut Creek
1 posts

This looks like a very quick trip. The train rides can be long and draining. It is best to move around less and stay longer (at least 2 nights). You don't have any down time. Personally, I would skip Venice and Prague, stay in Garmisch, where you can do a day trip to Fussen, Dachau, and see the sights there (a wonderful Gorge and Mt Zugspitz, which is better from Garmisch than Fussen) Stay an extra day in Hallstatt to relax and enjoy the scenery. You are going to spent too much time moving from point A to point B and less time experiencing the land and people.

Posted by Rich
Santa Maria, CA, USA
6 posts

I agree with several of the comments posted in reply here: pretty busy itinerary. As for me, I'd take Prague over Venice. The former is still charming and fun, and worth at least 2 days. Venice is touristy and crowded, and not worth more than a day's visit. Have fun!

Posted by David
Miami, FL, United States
49 posts

Thanks to all for your feedback. Based on this feedback and some more research, we have given up the Rhine valley, added a few days to try to stay more in the bigger cities. We are now thinking of this new itinerary. Please provide your thoughts. Munich - 4 nights Salzburg - 3 nights Vienna - 4 nights Prague - 3 nights Berlin - 4 nights With flying into Munich and out of Berlin, the current airfare savings is about $600. That allowed us to add a few extra days and still pay for the extra train fares. thanks,
David

Posted by Rich
Santa Maria, CA, USA
6 posts

David if you like beer and want to combine beautiful countryside with it, head down to Andechs and visit the brewery. Check Rick's Germany guidebook, but I believe you take the S8 train from the Munich HbF to Herrsching (?? again, don't hold me to my directions). It's about an hour ride. Then you can walk, bus or taxi up the hill to the monastery and Andechs. Arguably the best beer in Bavaria, and the views from the site are magnificent. Worth a 4-5 hour venture. Prosit!
RL

Posted by David
Miami, FL, United States
49 posts

Thanks, Rich. I will keep that in mind...David

Posted by David
Miami, FL, United States
49 posts

Any thoughts to the days for Prague and Berlin. What city would be better for the night?

Posted by Ilja
Seattle
1466 posts

Both cities will be good. But otherwise the question is like what is better: bananas or oranges? It looks like you are going to visit both so then you will know for sure.

Posted by Russ
Paradise
1759 posts

I think your first trip was better - yes, too rushed, and something needed to go, but you had a decent mix of small and large places. Berlin and Munich are interesting places, but since you've cut the Rhine/Mosel and all you're seeing of Germany are those places that were mostly rubble-ized 70 years ago, then you're passing up Germany's old-world charm altogether, pretty much. Even if you are exiting Munich on daytrips (Herrenchiemsee is one hour away, so this can't be done on a "full day" in Munich, by the way!) your original appetite for 800-year-old castles like Eltz and Marksburg and other old-world places is going to be underfed (H'chiemsee and N'stein are late 19th century palaces.) It's unclear how you are getting around with this new plan. If it were my trip, I'd cut Vienna altogether, but I think you probably have some special interest in the place. I suggest you snag one night from Salzburg and another night from Munich or Vienna to spend two days in the Romantic Road towns of Donauwörth, Harburg, and/or Nördlingen, 3 old-world towns huddled close together on the same train line northwest of Munich. D'wörth is about 1.25 hours from Munich's main station by direct train. Donauwörth: www.donauwoerth.de/html/user_en_TouristInfo+TouristInfo.html Nördlingen Harburg

Posted by Michael
Milwaukee
5 posts

David, You may need a vacation after reading your itinerary....how old are your children? MRB

Posted by David
Miami, FL, United States
49 posts

My daughter will be 16 and full of energy. She loves to travel and has been to over 18 countries. This trip will add three more to the list.