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Zurich with teenagers for a day - or skip and go to Lucerne?.....or somewhere else....

We arrive on a Friday morning from east coast US. in late July. Although well-traveled older teenagers, my boys have never experienced the European Jet lag. I'm not sure how we will ALL be feeling that morning as we arrive at 11 AM (5 am for us) (We have certainly had many 4 am wakeups for flights, so maybe I'm worrying too much.) We are spending a week in Argegno on Lake Como and then weaving back through the alps to catch our return flight from Zurich. We chose Zurich as an airport as it was substantially cheaper than Milan and nonstop which is appealing. It also, of course, offers us a glimpse at Switzerland.

My question: Originally, I thought we would just "take it easy" in Zurich, maybe do a scenic boat trip or something on our first day. Boys might be bored but at least we could chill. Then catch the nonstop at 11 am the following morning to Como. But then, as soon as I make peace with this itinerary, I wonder if I'm making a mistake. Am I wasting valuable time?

Should we push to Lucerne that first day, spend the night and train from there the next day? Am I missing an opportunity to take a scenic like the Wilhelm Express? We want to be in Argegno by late afternoon Saturday to hook up with our friends for happy hour. :-)

My kids are FAR more interested in outdoors than indoors. No shopping. No museums. Mt Titlus is appealing but seems too far to try to push on that first day.

As a mom, I guess I worry about how we are all going to feel that first day. They could likely have far more stamina than their dad and me. Who knows..... but I would appreciate anyone's input? We are a blank slate that first 24 hours.

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A great deal depends on how much, if any, sleep you get on the plane. With four people in play, I'm confident in predicting that at least one of you will have had virtually no sleep (unless you all take heavy-duty drugs, that is). So keep that in mind. I would not pre-book something non-refundable for that first day.

Are you planning to drive? I hate to recommend that anyone get behind the wheel of a car after flying overnight to Europe, though I know many people do it. Lucerne is easy to reach by train. It takes just a bit over an hour, and trains run about every 30 minutes. One train per hour is direct; the other requires a change at the Zurich Hauptbahnhof. Once settled in Lucerne the family can split up if energy levels differ.

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Suzanne, Definitely go direct to Luzern, do not stop in Zürich. There are two trains per hour from Zürich airport to Luzern, journey time just 1¼ hours, no more difficult than getting into Zürich city. And lots more to do in Luzern. Lovely old town, chill out on a boat on the lake, walk the walls (teenage boy sort of thing to do). Good place to chill along the waterfront, outside restaurants along the river, warm in July.

Trains to Italy (Como town) are as easy from Luzern as from Zürich. After the first few miles it is the same route as from Zürich. There are a few direct trains from Luzern, but in most cases you change at Arth-Goldau (where the two routes join) onto a train from Zürich.

Then catch the nonstop at 11 am the following morning to Como

There are no non-stop trains to Como (or anywhere else), expect a timetabled stop about every 10-30 minutes.
Look up train times (and stops) on the Swiss Railways site: http://www.sbb.ch/en/home.html

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Thanks for the replies!!! NO to the driving. We had originally thought about it but will definitely utilize the trains. We will be tired and I would likely be screeching at my husband as we wowed at the vistas on the passes. Not a good start to a vacation. LOL And I guess I mis-wrote. What I meant was no changing of trains. (not non stop) My understanding was that we stayed on the same train from Zurich to Como (with stops) At the same time, even if we did have to change trains, I feel sure we could handle it. :-) Was just looking for the least room for error.

Any thoughts on the Wilhelm Express rather than a train? Seems less time efficient but I would want my kids to see as much scenery as possible. That said.... maybe the Lucerne to Como train would be easier and just as scenic.

If anyone would like to suggest a hotel to explore in Lucerne I would appreciate that as well. We will likely get two rooms (18 yos and 16yos do NOT share small beds).

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Suzanne, changing trains is a doddle, don't worry about it. Just get off one train and follow signs to the other. At Arth Goldau. the trains from Zürich and Luzern usually stop at the opposite sides of the same platform.

The William Tell Express is a branding name for taking a boat from Luzern to the far end of the lake (Flüelen) and then the train the rest of the way. From Flüelen it is the same train route as you would take if you got the train from Luzern (via Arth Goldau). It takes longer, because the boat is slower than the train. You can take that option if you want to, your choice.

There are lots of hotels in Luzern. I suggest you look at the official town tourist site, which lists them all: http://www.luzern.com/en/hotels-accommodation
Your 18-year-old counts is an adult, and both he and your 16-year-old can legally have a beer while chilling out (and recovering from jet-lag) at a riverside restaurant)

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Thank you for your response..... I'm wondering NOW if maybe we should go to Arth Goldau straight from the airport. That way (maybe?) we could lodge there for less and perhaps motivate to Mt Rigi? My kids are Not city kids. They would MUCH prefer the vistas of the mountains.... now am I getting carried away? If we arrive at 11 am, is that nuts? We could possibly do something the next morning, so long as we are in Argegno for 5 ish. This is what happens to me when I start the wheels spinning....... :-)

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I've only been through A-G on the train, not stopping, but I spent at least one night in the picturesque town of Schwyz (farther south, not on your direct route) many years ago. Schwyz is in a very pretty area. I went to booking.com to see what sort of lodging was available in Arth-Goldau. Everything seems to be about 5 miles from whatever the website deems to be the town. Since you won't have a car, be very, very careful that you don't find yourself staying at an inaccessible location.

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Whatever city you choose do NOT waste your first day in Europe to "chill". There's really no reason for it especially if you just jump immediately on the train and head to your first destination. We're always so relieved to be off the plane that we get a second wind and GO!

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Suzanne, don't bother with Arth-Goldau. It is just a railway junction at the bottom of Rigi (opposite side of the mountain to the lake). Nothing there to see or do. There is plenty to see and do in and around Luzern. I wouldn't call it a city, more of a town. And you can see mountains from Luzern, Rigi across the lake and others further away.
See photo here and here, and also look up google streetview, from the lakeside.

You only have ½ day in Luzern (if you are leaving the following morning for Como), and Luzern is a very pretty town. If you have time and want to do Rigi, you can do it from Luzern. The standard route is to take a boat across the lake from Luzern to Vitznau, cogwheel train up Rigi, back down by cable car to Weggis, boat back to Luzern. Details here and here. But in ½ day, you might not have time for this.

On thing puzzles me, you seem over-worried about changing trains (classic symptoms of somebody who has never travelled by train). But, when you get off the train in Como town, you need to get to Argegno, about 15Km away. How are you going to do this?

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Thanks for the responses..... I wouldn't say I'm overly worried about switching trains but initially when I thought we were staying in Zurich it just seemed easy and convenient. But our plan for the first two days of this trip keep evolving. Initially we were going to drive and I have been adamantly talked out of that plan by trip advisor forums. So we made peace with the train idea... I must say all the various passes that are available are not that easy to negotiate. We will be heading from Zurich to Lucerne then the next day from Lucerne to Como Our villa has set us up with a driver to get us to our villa. I guess Lucerne will be fine. I just thought if we went another stop, we could stay on Mount Rigi and do some early morning hiking prior to heading to Como after lunch. Thank you to everyone for their input.

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we could stay on Mount Rigi

Arth-Goldau is at the bottom of Rigi. But, if your budget can extend to it, there is a hotel on the summit of Rigi. You could go direct from Zürich airport to Rigi, overnight there, and descend to Arth-Goldau and catch your train to Como the following day.
Details here: https://www.rigikulm.ch/en/hotel/

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I must say all the various passes that are available are not that easy to negotiate.

Passes are not want you want for his. Just normal tickets. When you arrive at Zürich airport, just go straight to the station (follow signs: bahn/railway) and say you want tickets to Luzern / Rigi summit / wherever. And the following day buy tickets to Como. prices on the SBB website.