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Trains, trains and more trains….and bonus for itinerary suggestions

Ok, I know trains are an oft discussed topic, and I have tried to find some answers, but would love some additional guidance.
We are celebrating our 30th with a trip to Munich, Vienna, Salzburg, BO, Lucerne, Zurich and a number of day trips. We couldn’t be more excited!
I have planned the stays and most events pretty meticulously (with a few gaps) but the train piece is so confusing.
I have decided to get the Half fare pass for Switzerland and the BOPass as well.

I will include my full itinerary below, but welcome any tips on the following:

  1. Which train tickets should I buy in advance vs when we are there? Do tickets sell out between countries, within countries?
  2. Based on my itinerary, is the half fare and BO pass the right combo to get in advance?
  3. Should I get any other passes for Germany or Austria?
  4. There are a few spots I would love itinerary suggestions where called out as well. :)

Thanks for any suggestions and advice you have. Can’t wait to hear from you!

Here is my Itinerary:

May 16 Arrive eve in Munich, get to hotel and sleep. Best way to get to our Alstadt hotel from the airport?
Wed 17 Relax old town. No transportation needed This will be our base until leaving for Vienna. All will be day trips.
Thu 18 tour to neuschwanstein/Fussen booked. No transportation needed.
Fri 19 Dachau am-train and bus needed both ways. Dachau Opens at 9 am. Get there when doors open. Deist he Bohn regional DB, dep 806 am, arr 831. Then bus 726. Buses leave every 20 minutes. Return leaves at 1209 pm arr 1234 pm and then Munich HBF to Vienna HBF. Dep 225 arr 632. I hope I got all that right.
Sat 20 Vienna-Time with friends. No transportation needed.
Sun 21 Breakfast in Vienna and travel to Salzburg -hotel (where we will sleep until leaving to Wengen-all trips are day trips) check in is at @ 3 pm . OB train departs 1228 pm, arr 253 pm. Cost 115.00 or dep 955, arr 1249. Cost 74.00. Did I get those right?
Mon 22 Salzburg-Sound of Music tour and apple strudel class-Bobs tours. No transportation needed
Tue 23 Hallstatt Take train so can view from the lake. Need transportation there and back.
Wed 24 Berchtesgaden Eagles Nest-Bobs Special Tours. No transportation needed.
Thur 25 Salzburg relax. No transportation needed
Fri 26 Train to Wengen via Zurich/Interlaken etc. long day of travel. Stop in Bern for a bit? REALLY NEED HELP HERE. Wengen hotel will be our base until leaving for Lucerne. Would love help on how to easily navigate trains, funiculars, hikes etc for this part of our journey. We are mid 50s, in decent health, but want beautiful hikes that are easy to moderate. More interested about taking the beautiful sites in than braving scary and exhausting trails or worrying about our footing. I also know our plans must be flexible due to weather conditions.
Sat 27 Wengen-hike from Wengen to Lautterbrunen, Trummelbach falls? Visit fall 1 and 2, then elevator to top and see others on the way down.
Sun 28 Wengen-jungfruajoch and ice cave? Or just another easy hike ?
Mon 29 Wengen-Schilthorn breakfast piz Gloria
Tues 30 Wengen-Grindelwald First-mountain carts at Bachalpsee back down the mountain
Wed 31 Wengen-mannlichen-Klein Scheidegg hike if open or to Gimmelwald?
Thur Jun 1 travel to Lucerne. Hotel central Luzerne. Transportation needed-check out of Wengen at 11, check in at Lucerne after 2. Check in at 2, out 11. Relax
Fri 2 Lucerne. Welcome ideas and how to do it. Train and boat to Mt Rigi?
Sat 3 Lucerne/Engleberg-monastery in Engelsburg, cheese factory? travel to Zurich in eve . Need transportation and feedback here.
Sun 4 Zurich . 1030 am Lindt chocolate factory , old town/ rennweg street, lindenhof for view and pics. Welcome ideas
Mon 5 Zurich home dep 920 am . Need transportation help to airport from Hilton Airport Zurich

Thanks again!!!!!

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May 16: Munich airport group ticket. 29.60 EUR covers 2 to 5 people traveling together. Take the S-1 train from the airport to Marienplatz and walk to hotel. Tell us where the hotel is exactly and maybe you can get closer. Buy the ticket ate the airport train station from a vending machine with a credit card.

May 19: Buy a Group Tageskarte for 18.40 EUR. will cover 2-5 people traveling from the city center to Dachau and back all day. Plus transportation to Munich Hbf.
Buy ticket from Munich Hbf now for trip to Vienna. Train departs at 3:29 pm to Vienna. Take this train because it is direct and costs only 39.80 EUR for 2 people. The earlier train requires a connection in Salzburg and costs 99.80 EUR for 2 people.

May 21. Take the early train to save money. Assume your price includes a seat reservation. Buy now, or wait a few days and look at Westbahn from the West Bahnhof.

May 26. Train from Salzburg to Wengen. Have you Hal Fare Car purchased before hand so you get a discount. Currently 218 CHF for 2 people with Half Fare Card.

May 27. Buy 6-day Berner Oberland Pass. 220 CHF per person.

Jungfraujoch will require supplement ticket. Only go if the weather is good. Schilthorn also requires supplement above Muerren. You get half fare.

June 1. Trip to Luzern covered by B-O Pass

All other trips use Half Fare Card. In Zurich, Half Fare also applies to public transport tickets.

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In the countries you are intending to visit trains are considered mass transit. Tickets never ever sell out, so you can always go to the station, buy a ticket, and travel.
However, buying tickets in advance does often save money, as the railways offer advance purchase discounted tickets. Those are less flexible though. Also be aware that seat reservations are not automatically included.

I would therefore suggest that you do book the long sectors in advance. In your case that would be Munich to Vienna, Vienna to Salzburg, and Salzburg to Wengen. (Yes, you can book a through ticket all the way to Wengen...)

In this case you can book all three with the Austrian Railways -> www.oebb.at

All the other trips you can just buy when you are here.

Given what you are planning to do in Switzerland look in to buying the Swiss Half Fare Card. That will give you 50% off on all train tickets in Switzerland, and on al mountain railways.

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Actually I have to correct something: On www.oebb.at you can get, if sufficiently booked in advance, a ticket for Salzburg - Lauterbrunnen for EURO 37,70. That is a special discounted ticket, on which the Swiss Half Fare Card does not apply. So you could just leave early in Salzburg, and then in Lauterbrunnen get the HFC and the BO pass at the station there.

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Thank you Sam and WengenK!
So very helpful!
That helps me break this down into chunks.
Can I buy the Half fare card and BO pass in advance from the US after booking that great train fare from Salzburg to Lauterbrunnen?
Or do I need to purchase them there?
WengenK, any favorite hikes or restaurants in your home town?

Thanks again!
Brent

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Sam, in Munich, we will stay at the Hilton Munich City on Rosenheimer Strasse

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Hardly the Altstadt, but a great hotel. Get off the S-1 at Rosenheimer Platz. There might even be direct access from the station complex to the hotel like the Holiday Inn has.

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Hi Greenbay or anyone who knows...Is that hotel NOT near the Alstadt? I thought it was advertised that way. Is there another Hilton property better located? I am using points. Thanks!I will add that topic in the Germany forum as well.

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Yes, it is across the Isar River from the Altstadt, It is a good location, I stayed at the Holiday Inn just across the street a few years ago. Having the Rosenheimer Platz S-Bahn station right there is very convenient, especially coming from the airport on the S-1.

Both hotels bill themselves "Munich City Center", which is a little misleading. It is next to the new, modern, Gasteig Symphony Hall. I guess the area was planned as a cultural center when built. There are a few neighborhood restaurants around the corner.

You will need to use the S-Bahn to get to the Marienplatz, or Hbf. You will have a group LUS Day Ticket on your arrival day to get from the airport. That will get you around for the rest of the day, and you will a have a group M-1 Day Ticket for your last day to get to Dachau and back and get to the Hbf or Ostbahnhof. So you will need a group M Day Ticket for the middle day to get around town. Cost is 17 EUR from a ticket vending machine in the Rosenheimer Platz station. It is not a bad walk from Rosenheimer Platz to the real city center, which is what I would call the Marienplatz in front of the Neues Rathaus. But it is so convenient to ride the S-Bahn. The Glockenspiel show in the tower runs at 11 am, noon, and 6 pm, and a crowd of tourists gathers in the square to watch. Do not bet on the Austrian Knight! Its rigged!

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We were in Munich this past April, and had trouble using our credit cards in the ticket machines, buying s-bahn tickets. The machines wanted a pin #. Lots of discussion here , many folks have this problem, and many did not,depending on credit card. Our solution was buying all tickets on the DB Navigatior app, which worked nicely. Also, the ticket machines don't like giving lots of change, when using cash, so don't use 20 euro notes, unless the total is close to that.
Have a great, obviously well-planned trip!

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Also, there is a sale on various Swiss Travel Passes starting April 15. Not sure if that's to your advantage or not, but it's so convenient having the STP, and not having to buy tickets on the covered modes of transport. ( Boat and cogwheel to Mt Rigi completely covered by STP; also train , funicular, and open air Cabrio cable car to Mt. Stanserhorn. The latter is so much fun, and doesn't get mentioned in RS guide books. It's 45 min one way from the Lucerne train station, and a great way to view the sunset.)
Safe travels!