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Retirement Trip - Itinerary Review

Hi
Am planning a retirement trip to Switzerland...here is what I am thinking. Want to travel by train, only..and see the smaller cities and the Amazing landscapes for hiking and relaxing. Am I missing a "must see"? Your thoughts are appreciated. Many thanks !

Munich to Appenzell
Appenzell
Appenzell
Appenzell to Bern
Bern
Bern
Bern to Lauterbrunne
Murren
Murren
Murren
Murren
Murren to Luzern
Luzern
Luzern
Travel day: Gotthard Panorama to Lugano
Lugano
Lugano
Travel to Varenna/Lake Como

Posted by
8880 posts

Well, first of all, welcome to retirement and what a great way to celebrate.

I like the way that you are spending time at each stop and have several days at Murren. I have seen a thread lately about the Swiss travel pass currently being on sale. I hope you saw that as well.

Posted by
5604 posts

Can you configure a way to ride the Bernina Express? The views are magnificent- we did it the past September.
Safe travels!

Posted by
8967 posts

Are you flying into Munich, but not spending time there? If so, why not in to Zurich?

I would trim a night from Bern and add it to Luzern. Bern is a nice enough city, but not in the mountains.

Posted by
55 posts

Hello all. Thanks for your responses. I am spending time in Munich. Wondering if there are other places I should not miss ? Will look into bernia express. Not sure it works with my itinerary. But maybe able to reconfigure

Posted by
17427 posts

It looks fine in terms of time spent at each place, although I agree that you don’t need 3 nights in Bern. You could add a night to Luzern to facilitate the suggestion below. And I suggest skipping Lugano, as described below.

I like the suggestion of the Bernina Express instead of the Gotthard Panorama Express to Lugano. The Bernina Pass route— the only train tracks that go over the Alps instead of tunneling under at some point—- is a good way to reach Varenna, so it is easy to work into your itinerary if you drop Lugano. I say that although we have not ever been to Lugano, other than pass through on the train. Every time I try to work it into a Swiss itinerary I get turned off by the lodging prices——Lugano is a popular resort area, with prices to match— not what we are looking for in Switzerland. So I prefer to get our “lake time” in Italy, where the lodging is more reasonably priced (and the food is Italian!). Also, getting to Varenna from Lugano involves either a bus to Mennaggio and short ferry across the lake, or a train from Lugano to Como and long ferry ride, or a train to Milano Centrale and transfer there to the train to Varenna. The train from the Engadine in Switzerland to Varenna is seamless and easy.

Consider something like this: add a day to Luzern and spend part of a day cruising the lake there—-maybe the Rigi roundtrip. Then head to the Engadine area for the Bernina Pass train (could be either the named Bernina Express, or a regular regional train which is cheaper and runs more frequently). You could travel from Luzern to Pontresina, a pretty Engadine village right on the Bernina route, in 4 hours 20 minutes, with 3 changes on the way (make sure Chur is on the route). Or if you prefer fewer train changes, get off in Samedan, the village before Pontresina, smaller but with good train connections to the other Engadine villages. A 2-night stay at a hotel in either of these villages will get you a travel card good for free travel on all the area travel network (including lifts).

After your stay in Pontresina, you can catch the Bernina Espress train or a regional train over the Bernina Pass to Tirano on the Italian border. Change there for an Italian train to Varenna—-the ride is 1.5 hours.

Here is a map of the Swiss rail system so you can see the routes:

https://cdn-doc.myswissalps.com/docs/default-source/rail-network-maps/swisstravelpass.pdf?sfvrsn=7788603a_52

Posted by
7300 posts

I would get rid of the Lugano days (you'll spend time on Lake Como instead, at half the price), and spend those in the Engadine as suggested. Pontresina or tinier Samedan make for good bases.

To reach the area from Luzern, I strongly recommend to travel by train via Chur (instead of the more direct Vereina Tunnel from Landquart) because the scenery is far better - you travel on the UNESCO-listed Albula Railway. The route is Luzern-Thalwil (near Zürich) - Chur - Samedan.

I would also spend one night fewer in Bern (can be added in Luzern, or wherever really!)

Posted by
1406 posts

When you're in the Lauterbrunnen/Murren area make sure to explore up in the mountains on both sides of the valley.

Posted by
381 posts

I'm going to speak up and say "don't miss Lugano". I find it magical and can't wait to go back there.

That said, the alternative route suggested makes sense.

Posted by
55 posts

Thanks so much for all your help with this!!! I am going on after Switzerland to Northern Italy...Lake Garda as well as Varenna (my family is from there), hiking in the dolomites and Milano. So excited and your help is greatly appreciated!

Posted by
3226 posts

Where in Appenzell? When I think of Appenzell a car would be best not train.

Posted by
17427 posts

And what time of year is this trip? If you are putting the Dolomites after your time in Switzerland, you want to be there ( Dolomites) by early October at the latest. Or maybe the whole trip is earlier in the summer, starting in June? Great for wildflowers, but it can be cool and rainy even in June.

Posted by
55 posts

First of all, Lola and Pat thank you for such an informative posts. Very helpful!. Lola, I'm planning to leave in mid June and will likely be in the Dolomites in early/mid July. Hopefully the weather will be warm at that time of the year.

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17427 posts

Ok—-July will be fine in the Dolomites. My comments about June possibly being cool and rainy referred to Switzerland, on the north side of the Alps. Our 10 days there in June a few years back, were split 50-50 rainy/drizzly (snowing in Zermatt) and nice sunny weather. It changed daily. But the wildflowers were more abundant than we found on previous August visits.

Posted by
55 posts

Hi again and thank you for all the advice. Another question. Will be traveling alone in bernaise oberlander. Are there guided hikes groups
that
I could hike with? Little nervous to hike alone.

Posted by
17427 posts

I am a cautious hiker, but I would have no qualms about hiking solo in the Berner Oberland. The trails are well-marked, so you won’t get lost. And you won’t be alone—-lots of others will be hiking the same trails.

But if you want company, you could stop in the local tourist office and ask about organized hikes led by a guide. I believe Muerren used to have weekly guided hikes. If not, you can at least ask for advice, and pick up a free trail map.

Posted by
8880 posts

I think you can hike alone with some caveats. Make sure that you discuss your hiking plans with someone at your hotel or leave a note stating what your plans are and when you plan to return. That is a common sense solo hiking "rule" that should be followed no matter where you are hiking. I lived next to Olympic National Park for several years and hikers would go missing and no one had any idea what their plans had been for that day. That made finding them quite a bit harder.

My son does a lot of solo hiking in the wilderness in Idaho. I gifted him a Garmin In Reach mini. This small satellite operated electronic GPS allows for texting and calling as needed as well as an emergency locator/button that can be pushed for assistance. You determine which "plan" you sign up for which dictates price. If I was planning a multi-week trip that involved a lot of solo hiking, I would probably take this with me. Are you likely to have problems? no. However, peace of mind for you and for your family may well make it worth it. Costco has carried it at a discount in the past.

https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/592606