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Lol Help! So confused by transportation options and cost for 5 days in BO

Help! I am getting so confused with options. I am really trying to do my best to research whether individual trips are more or less expensive than a Swiss pass or 1/2 fare pass, but the more I research, it seems the harder it is because I keep reading conflicting information about different ways to get to certain locations. Plus, when I try to research tickets at SBB, a place like Mannlichen has several options (like Mannlichen GGM, Mannlichen LWM, Mannlichen Parkplatz, Grindelwald Mannlichen Bahn) and to be honest, I have no idea which one to choose. If anyone could help me, I would be forever grateful.

This is our rough itinerary, based on some wonderful suggestions you all have already given me (most of my questions are from Day 1- Day 3, and if anyone can point out if I am misunderstanding anything transportation-wise, I would appreciate it more than anything!):

Day 1:
-Arrive in Zurich from JFK on Lufthansa flight by 8:30 am (if running on time). If possible (not sure if I can do this based on the time that we get there or the fact that I’m not taking SwissAir), I would like to send luggage ahead to Lauterbrunnen.

-Take train from Zurich to Lauterbrunnen, but depending on how tired we are and if we can send luggage forward, we would either stop in Bern or Luzern to spend a few hours before moving onto our base in Lauterbrunnen (I know it’s two entirely different routes, but I figure either would be nice to spend a half a day or so at)

-Arrive in Lauterbrunnen early evening, pick up luggage and continue onto lodgings.

Day 2:
(I think I could do this in one day because it seems like this area is kind of connected):

-Trip from Lauterbrunnen to Piz Gloria in morning (do I take the Stechelberg aerial cableway, the Murren funicular, or both to get up there?)

-I would like to get down from Piz Gloria to Allmendhubel so we can then either hike the Panoramic or North Face Trail down to Murren. Is that possible?

-Relax/eat in Murren; train back down to Lauterbrunnen.

Day 3:

-Lauterbrunnen to Klein Scheidegg (from the map provided on their website, it looks like I take some sort of train/cable car up there if I’m coming from the Wengen side and not the Grindelwald side, does that sound correct?)

-Hike from Klein Scheidegg down to Mannlichen via Panorama Trail; have a break/snack in Mannlichen; also take Royal Trail hike and back to Mannlichen; take Mannlichen cable car down to Wengen;

-Hang out in Wengen for a bit; then I guess there’s a train down to Lauterbrunnen?

Day 4:

-Spend Day on Lake Thun, Visit Thun, and maybe Spiez and/or Oberhofen (depending on how much time it takes). I will most likely take train from Lauterbrunnen to Interlaken, then use Boat to get to sights and Thun, then take train from Thun to Lauterbrunnen because it will give me more sight-seeing time.

Day 5:
Free Day- Maybe head to one of the villages we haven’t seen; just relax in Lauterbrunnen or do something spontaneous like spend time on the shore area of Bonigen or visit First, etc. If we're feeling really ambitious, maybe we'll do a day trip to Luzern if we didn't do it earlier. (ps- yes, I know we're missing Jungfraujoch but we're okay with that lol; also, we will obviously fit in Trummelbach at some point).

Day 6:
Early AM train from Lauterbrunnen to Milan for next portion of our trip.

In addition to the questions sprinkled throughout my itinerary, based on what I have planned, would a Swiss Pass or 1/2 Fare Pass be advisable for my husband and I? I obviously don’t expect anyone to do the actual calculations and comparisons for me, but I wasn’t sure if anyone who had a similar itinerary could offer advice based on their experiences.

Thank you SO much!

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...a place like Mannlichen has several options (like Mannlichen GGM, Mannlichen LWM, Mannlichen Parkplatz, Grindelwald Mannlichen Bahn)

Use Google Maps or similar to find out where these places are. You also need to get a basic phrase list of German place terms or use Google Translate.

Mannlichen GGM = gondola lift station
Mannlichen LWM = a different gondola lift station

Parkplatz = Parking place (probably the parking lot for the mountain access point)
platz = place
dorf = village

Bahn = train
Bahnholf = train station

A guidebook like Lonely Planet Switzerland or Rough Guide Switzerland may be better at identifying access points, options and how to get there.

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  1. You can drive yourself nuts trying to figure out exact point to point costs and compare to a pass. Even if you could get it exact, you could have a day of rain that wipes out those calculations. I think this way: the Swiss know what they are doing, and most passes come out about the same as point to point for the AVERAGE person. So even if you guess wrong and you have a normal trip, it won't be a big deal.

    That said, here's a quick calculation: You are going Zurich to Lauterbrunnen. That's around $75. When you leave for Italy, it will be Laut. to Spiez to Brig (border town to Italy). That's about another $75. Total so far is $150. You can buy a Swiss Transfer Ticket for that (at Raileurope.com, perhaps elsewhere, but must be outside Switz., in advance), PLUS that ticket gives you half price for all tickets in between. You are already ahead of the game, regardless of where you go in the middle of the trip. If you don't get the Swiss Transfer ticket, then my second favorite is Berner Oberland Pass, which you could purchase in Bern or Lucerne.

  2. You can't get from Piz Gloria directly down to Almendhubel. You have to go Piz Gloria to Murren, then take Almendhubel funicular back up the mountain, part way. See this map: http://www.gimmelwald.ch/e/activities/summer/hiking.htm

  3. You will be hiking Kleine Scheidegg to Mannlichen the wrong way! You would have your backs to the beautiful mountains the whole way. Instead, go Lauterbrunnen train to Wengen, then cable car up to Mannlichen, then 1.5 hike on the best trail in the region, which brings you to Kleine Scheidegg, then train down to Wengen, then Lauterbrunnen. In general, try to take all your hikes TOWARD the snow-capped mountains, and trains back.

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Shoe is spot on with his/her advice regarding the Piz Gloria/ Alllmendhubel combo, and hiking from Mannlichen to K S rather than the other way around. However, I believe that the Swiss Transfer ticket gives you no benefit between the day you enter Switzerland and the day you leave. In particular, it offers no discounts. The regional Berner Oberland pass, or the more focused Jungfrau pass are your best bets for your time in Lauterbrunnen, with point to point tickets on the way in and out. The Berner Oberland pass is more expensive than the Jungfrau, but offers a discount on the lift to Piz Gloria, which the Jungfrau pass does not, and will even get you to Bern or Luzern . With the Swiss Half Fare pass, you likely won't be buying enough tickets in five days (at half price) to recover your initial investment. Plus, you have to buy a ticket each time you want to take a lift or a train- that can be a bother.

As for the route to Piz Gloria, if you are staying in Lauterbrunnen, you can take the lift to Grutschalp (across the road from the train station), then the train to Murren, and walk to the Gondola station to ride to P G. Or, you can bus from Lauterbrunnen along the valley floor to Stechelberg, and take the same gondola from its base. It stops in Gimmelwald, then Murren on the way up. I'd recommend going up by the first method, and returning by the second. Then, if time and your energy level permits, you can get off the bus at Trummelbach Falls (or even walk there) on the way back to Lauterbrunnen.

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First, I realize that figuring out the logistics and geography of the Berner Oberland is confusing when you haven't been there. Once you are there, it is all much clearer. So, don't worry about finding your way - once you're "on the ground," it's almost impossible to get lost or confused.

To get from Lauterbrunnen to Piz Gloria, you have to go through Mürren. There are two ways: 1) bus from Lauterbrunnen to Stechelberg, cable car from Stechelberg to Mürren, and second cable car from Mürren to Piz Gloria. In Mürren, you don't change stations, but you do have to change cable cars. 2) cable car from Lauterbrunnen to Grütschalp, train from Grütschalp to Murren BLM station, walk 10 minutes (mostly level) through Mürren to the Mürren Schilthornbahn station, and cable car from Mürren to Piz Gloria. Again, this is all very straightforward once you're there. You may want to go up via one route and down back to Lauterbrunnen via the other, just for variety.

Yes, little Mürren has three "stations." There's Mürren BLM, with a single train line; it goes to Grütschalp with intermediate stop in Winteregg, and connects with the cable car down to Lauterbrunnen. There's the Allmendhubel station, with the funicular up to Allmendhubel (and nowhere else). And there's the Schilthornbahn station, with cable cars up to Birg and Piz Gloria, and down to Gimmelwald and Stechelberg. It's only a 10 minute walk between the first and the third stations; the Allmendhubel is in between, on the higher road.

It's great that you've planned specific activities for specific days, but do heed the standard advice to look at webcams and ask at your hotel before doing anything. If the weather's not so great, don't do the expensive Schilthornbahn, but save it for another day. The Allmendhubel is much cheaper, if the weather is iffy. If the weather is not good, that's the perfect time to fit in the Trümmelbach Falls, or go to the lakes.

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Edgar- Those translations help immensely- thank you! It’s my first trip to Europe and it’s a biggie (23 days between Switzerland and Italy) so I have a lot of learning to do between now and the end of June!

Shoe and Ottawanderer- Thank you for the easy-to-follow advice- I think it’s so easy to get caught up with all the calculations and the minutia of every little stop and itinerary possibility, it can end up giving you vacation-planning overload (at least I know my brain is fried lol!). Upon your suggestion, I looked and they don’t have the Transfer and Half-Price ticket as one combo anymore (apparently it’s a recent change), but the BO regional pass looks perfect- it would actually be free for me to go from Bern to Lauterbrunnen (so I would really just have to pay Zurich to Bern), and it would be free to go from Lauterbrunnen to Thun or Brig, where I can then get one of the discounted tickets from Trenitalia (right now, my husband and I can get to Milan from Thun 2 smart tickets for 78 total, or from Brig 2 regular tickets for 78 total). Plus, after looking at the BO pass map, it looks like I can even get a lot of the other transportation options (cable cars, funiculars, etc.) for free- and the few that I can’t are still discounted. I don’t know how I didn’t even see that this pass was an option- Thank you so much!

PS-I will definitely follow your advice about hiking in the right direction- I was just thinking it was better going downhill hahaha :) , but you’re right- I totally want to see those mountains!

Harold- Thank you for clearning everything up with Piz Gloria and all of the Murren stations. I’m definitely up for interchanging what days I do things, depending on weather, and having some spontaneity and flexibility in the schedule- knowing that that the area is easier to navigate “in person” once I’m there is a big relief! Thank you for
Thank you all- I don’t know what I would do with your kindness and help!

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I would like to send luggage ahead to Lauterbrunnen.

SBB has a luggage transport service: https://www.sbb.ch/en/station-services/services/luggage-and-flight-luggage/luggage.html
I have not used the service but observed passengers retrieving luggage at staffed stations. Lauterbrunnen luggage service hours are: 7:00 to 19:00. https://www.sbb.ch/content/internet/sbb/en/bahnhof-services/bahnhoefe/bahnhof.7384.html

The SBB timetable website is: https://www.sbb.ch/en/timetable.html
Zurich Airport train station has a staffed counter. If you show the agent your train itinerary, the agent may advise you as to the best value. (It seems that everyone in front of me had complicated travel plans and the agents were very patient in helping them).

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What is attracting you to Thun, and doing the Thunersee by boat rather than the Brienzersee and visiting Brienz and or walking under a waterfall at Giessbach?

Unsolicited, I much prefer Brienzersee (Lake Brienz) over Thunersee.