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Help with Itinerary for 7 days in Wengen

Hello. We are a family of four, incl. children aged 21 and 25, visiting Switzerland for the first time. We will be arriving at Basel on 22 June and head straight to Wengen where we will stay till 28 Jun, travel to Zurich on 29th and depart Zurich on 01 July. Hotel bookings are all done. We now need to work out the final itinerary and which travel pass to purchase. I have purchased Swiss Travel Pass already, but if not worth it, will cancel it. We are not interested in hiking but are mainly interested in scenic views and budget friendly spots (except for an odd "not to be missed" spot even if it is a bit heavy on the pocket).

The places we have identified so far from Wengen (but not finalised yet, and that's where your help would be most useful) are: Lucerne, Mt Titlis, Lauterbrunnen, Interlaken, Zermatt, Riffelsee lake, Gornergrat, Matterhorn Glacier Paradise, Grindelwald, Murren, Jungfraujoch, Trummelback waterfalls, Gimmelwald, Harder Klum, Mt Pilatus, Mt Titlis and would like to add a few villages/ scenic spots in and around this region.

Now for the specific questions:
1. I read that a trip to Jungfraujoch is expensive and Mt Titlis is a better option, although Jungfraujoch is closer to Wengen. Should I drop Jungfraujoch and choose Mt Titlis instead?
2. I read that Zermatt should be avoided if it is likely to rain. As per the forecast, it seems that Zermatt will have some rain on 25/26 Jun. Will it be the kind of rain that counts or just a drizzle which will not affect the trip is unknown. Incidentally, to avoid transporting heavy luggage, we plan to retain the hotel at Wengen and book an additional hotel at Zermatt for 25th night, as I understand that at least a full day is required at Zermatt and the first train should be taken to Gornergrat. So, the Question is: Is the Zermatt plan worth it considering the weather?
3. Assuming that Zermatt is included, which is better - Matterhorn Glacier Paradise or the glacier cave / ice palace on Mt Titlis/ Mt Jungfraujoch? Are they all similar so that any one experience would be good enough?
4. What changes would you suggest to my plan, in terms of places to add or drop? Would like to take one scenic train trip. Which one is recommended? Bernina Express?
5. Finally, I understand that only travel from Wengen up to the mountains are not covered by the Swiss Travel Pass (but 25% - 50% discounts are possible on tickets - to be purchased), but all other travel to places as indicated above are included. Therefore, should I retain the 8-day Swiss Travel Pass (which will cover transfer from Basel to Wengen and from Wengen to Zurich also, but does not cover local sightseeing and visit to Rhine Falls in/ near Zurich as they are beyond 8 days)? Or should I return the Travel Pass and buy some Half Fare or some other Pass/ Point to Point tickets?

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The weather dictates all. It's not just drizzle, it's the overall visibility that's important- you could have fog or low clouds. It's risky going to Zermatt for a short time period. But the chances of good weather are increased with a longer stay, as you have in Wengen. I know of no reliable weather forecast that can predict almost a month away. I personally would skip Zermatt, and fully enjoy Wengen.
I wouldn't stay in Zurich. Lucerne is so much more charming, and it's an easy 1+ hour train directly into the Zurich airport.
There's are so many u- tube videos which help explain the various Swiss passes. Everyone is confused, and it's hard to predict in advance what all you'll be using the pass for.
The half-fare card usually works well for most folks, but for the convenience, Inalways go for the STP. I like not having to buy tickets, just walking on the applicable trains, boats, gondolas.
Have a great trip in this beautiful country.

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  1. Titlis is not better than Jungfraujoch - they are not at all comparable, so I wouldn’t compare them to decide, treat them as individual choices. See more info below.

  2. Acknowledging that you’re on a budget + the realistic amount of time you have in Wengen (5 full days), I think you should scrap the idea of Zermatt altogether. Paying double for a hotel + all the transportation and time involved would more than pay for you to maximize doing all the best of things around Wengen and I think you’d enjoy it more. But in regards to the weather, there is absolutely no way that a weather forecast 1 month out is accurate. It’s barely accurate day off, let alone a month out. MeteoSwiss.ch is the best option (phone app as well)

  3. Again, comparing Titlis, Jungfraujoch and mountains in Zermatt isn’t really that helpful, but there is no way I’d travel all the way to Titlis or Matterhorn from Wengen. There are so many great options right around Wengen and you'll see more with a budget if you don't spend half of your time traveling hours out of the way.

  4. You’re going to have plenty of scenic train trips. Bernina is not logical with your plan and budget. There are scenic train rides all over Wengen, as well as the train ride from Wengen to Luzern that is very scenic.

  5. The Swiss Travel Pass is not at all your best option. Cancel it immediately if you can.

  6. You will not get perfect weather for your entire trip, so even though you have 5 full days in Wengen you're not going to also have buffer to go to Zermatt and Luzern amidst that if you actually want to experience all there is to do in the Jungfrau region.

  7. Travel to Zurich via Luzern and stop in Luzern to explore the historic town and then settle in Zurich and if you have time, perhaps Mt Rigi — don’t do this as a day trip from Wengen

  8. With the itinerary suggested below, you should get the Half Fare Cards + possibly the reduced fare Jungfrau Travel Pass or Berner Oberland Pass. Once you settle on what specific activities you want to do, I can help you with the math, but it’s pointless to do until you settle your plans more specifically.

  9. For 5 full days in Wengen, watch the weather and then choose from these daily activities. If you get perfect weather, you can do them all, if not, I've put them in the order of priority that I'd do them...

*Wengen > Lauterbrunnen > Grutschalp > Murren (explore the village) > Schilthorn > Birg Thrill Walk > Murren > scenic and easy walk down to Gimmelwald > Stechelberg > Lauterbrunnen > Wengen

*Wengen > Mannlichen > easy walk/hike to Kleine Scheidegg > optional Jungfraujoch > Kleine Scheidegg > hike or train to Wengernalp > train to Wengen

*Wengen > Lauterbrunnen > Wilderswil > open air cog train to Schynige Platte (beautiful viewpoint + hiking options) > Wilderswil > Lauterbrunnen > optional Trummelbach Falls (good rainy day activity) > Lauterbrunnen > Wengen

*Wengen > Lauterbrunnen > Interlaken > Boat ride on Lake Brienz with optional stops at Giessbach Falls, Brienz, etc. OR boat ride on Lake Thun (optional castle stops at Spiez, Oberhofen & Thun) > optional Harder Kulm (not a highlight in my opinion) > Interlaken Ost > Lauterbrunnen > Wengen

*Wengen > Mannlichen > Grindelwald Terminal > Grindelwald > optional Grindelwald First, Pfingsten toboggan/zip line or Grindelwald Canyon > Grindelwald > Zweilutchinen > Lauterbrunnen > Wengen

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Thank you Pat & wanderweg. Will remove Zermatt from our itinerary.
Regarding Lucerne, having stayed in Wengen for about a week and been to the mountains, seen the lakes (at interlaken and some others), do you say that Lucerne would still offer something different and is worth it? The reason is that I checked the hotel rates at Lucerne
today and they are quite steep (as compared to the hotel already booked at Zurich (which I need to cancel within 36 hours from now for a full refund). But if the advice remains that despite having stayed in wengen, Lucerne would still be worth it, we will surely consider cancelling Zurich. Thank you so much for your time.

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Wanderweg, thanks for your detailed response. We have six full days in wengen, not five.
1. Suppose we do choose Lucerne over Zurich (even though it would be about CHF 500 costier, as mentioned in my previous response, which is a lot for us, but can still consider as this will be a once in a lifetime kind of trip for us), then can we plan Mt Titlis from there and scrap Jungfraujoch (which you’ve marked as optional)?
2. I’d thought that one of the ice palaces/ museums would be a unique experience (we’ve never been to one). Do you recommend any one or still feel it’s not worth it?
3. Thanks for your advice on train trips. Will scrap the Bernina also.
4. I think your 5 options based on expected weather conditions is a killer! Great idea. If you can suggest one for the sixth day as well (assuming the best case scenario of all six days being clear, weather-wise), we would really appreciate it.
5. I forgot to add one aspect. We would like to experience snow - walking in foot deep snow, sliding/ skiing for a short distance - if at all it’s possible. Not essential, but if it can fit into our plan, would be good.
6. I will study all of your options in greater detail and then perhaps come back to you with a much more concrete itinerary to decide the pass option. Just one final question. In the itinerary you have suggested is there a lot of hiking or every place can be accessed by cable car/ train? My wife has difficulty walking long more than 2 km at a stretch, even with short breaks in between. We’d like to try hiking really scenic locations but would like a transport alternative just in case she gets tired.

Thank you so very much indeed. The effort you have put in is deeply appreciated!

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We spent 3 nights in Wengen, 3 nights in Murren, and 3 nights in Lucerne last year and could have stayed much longer. Lucerne is different enough because you have the charming old town itself plus the lake and other attractions. Titlis is easy from Lucerne, and Rigi is also a popular trip that starts there.

It is true that Lucerne is expensive and it’s hard to find anything this close to your arrival.

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1 & 2. You can do Titlis instead of Jungfraujoch. I don't find the ice caves that particularly exciting, but you may, so that's personal preference. I'm an outdoor gal, so I don't really find cold, dark, cramped spaces with people shuffling around in a line that thrilling :)

  1. For an extra day, do Lake Thun + the castles one day and Lake Brienz + Giessbach/Brienz or Brienzer Rothorn one day. Or a leisurely day exploring Lauterbrunnen Valley + maybe the Allmendhubel funicular above Murren (great views, nice lunch spot)

  2. Everything I mentioned can be done without more than 2 km of walking, except Mannlichen to Kleine Scheidegg. That's around 4.5 km of easy downhill walking (stroller friendly) but if that's too far, you could do this:
    Wengen > Mannlichen cable car > cable car down to Grindelwald Terminal (beautiful ride) > Eiger Express up to Eigergletscher (beautiful ride) > optional Jungfraujoch > train down to Kleine Scheidegg (explore) > train to Wengen

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Thank you Barbara. Will look at cheaper hotel options in Lucerne (perhaps a bit far from the town centre) if they look good. I hope we can find one…

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Thank you wanderweg, for the sixth day itinerary and also for the clarification regarding walking distances. It surely helps! In the meantime I’ve been trying to read up on the places you’ve mentioned. They look really good! I think I’ll just follow your trip plan on all the days :-) Just hope the weather plays ball!

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If you're not going to stay in the historic center of Luzern, I probably wouldn't bother. What makes Luzern a great spot is if you stay in the middle where all the historic charm is + convenience to the train station that gets you everywhere. If you have to spend a bunch of time commuting from a place further out, then I'd just pick a cheaper area of Switzerland.