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Help w/train routing: Nigel, Balso, Lola???

Hello train experts! Lola suggested a route to me in an earlier post but I’m having difficulty figuring it out on the SBB app

The goal is to get from Pontresina to Montreux by using regular trains on the same tracks as the scenic trains, switching at Brig to Spiez and connecting to the Golden Pass train with VIP seats to Montreux. . Is this doable? I think I need to begin by checking times for the Golden Pass trains and working backwards to Pontresina but, again, I’m having trouble working with the app. I’ll be grateful for your assistance. ( also, if these connections work, will there be enough daylight by June 8 to merit the VIP seats for the Speiz-Montreux section. ) Many thanks. Emily

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I just saw this late at night, but I will be back tomorrow with my thoughts and help with the route and schedule. . But domyou want to do this all in one day? My thought was to break it into two shorter days rather than put it all in one long day.

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I am not the expert, but you probably want the Bernina Express from Pontresina to Chur. Then train from Chur to Lucerne. Take the Golden Pass from Lucerne to Montreaux via Interlaken Ost. Try entering the first two routes individually and coordinate those times with the Golden Pass from Lucerne to Montreaux.

Right now I see an 8:02-10:04 Pontresina to Chur.

Chur to Lucerne at 10:16-12:25

Golden Pass from Lucerne to Montreaux via Interlaken Ost (You need to get a 2022 timetable)

You will have to check the Golden Pass time you want and schedule into it, but that should not be a problem.

Hint: This will be a long train day!!!

Good luck.

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The most scenic part of the Golden Pass train route is from Lucerne through the Brunig Pass to Interlaaken. You’ll miss all that if I’m accurately following your plan. And the most scenic train ride ( in fact the route is listed as a UNESCO World Heritage Site) is the 2-hour Bernina Express route from St.Moritz to Tirano, Italy. You will be situated perfectly to do the best part of the Bernina Express route when you’re in Pontresina . Hopefully you’ve worked these into your plan.

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It is a very much longer train day than I’d prefer but… We’ll be taking the Bernina Express after a few days in Varenna, Italy and will spend 3 nights in Pontresina before tackling the trip to Montreux. After 4 nights in Montreux, we’ll again take the Golden Pass (maybe on a regular train) on our way to Mürren. I just can’t seem to work out the timing on the SBB app. to ascertain if it’s possible connection-wise.

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I see! While in Pontresina, I ‘d recommend the Morteratsch Glacier which you can walk to from the train station there. Zuoz, in the Engadine Valley is a lost-in-time Medieval Swiss Town. And a bit further (1:20 by train from Pontresina) is the Swiss National Park.

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I fully agree with the poster above: the much-hyped section between Zweisimmen and Montreux on the so-called Golden Pass route is beautiful, but doesn't make it to my top-5 of scenic railways on the country. It will feel "underwhelming" after the Albula Railway or the Oberalp pass.

Therefore I would just plan on travelling as follows:
- Bus from Pontresina to Samedan (more convenient with luggage because the bus goes through town in Pontresina, unlike the train)
- Train from Samedan to Reichenau-Tamins (Albula Railway)
- Then from Reichenau-Tamins to Brig, with a quick change in Disentis and also in Andermatt (middle section of the Glacier Express route)
- Then from Brig to Montreux, a pretty ride along the valley floor of the Valais

It will already be a long day!
Simply taking the Glacier Express from Samedan to Brig might be a little bit more comfortable, because it avoids the various connections - they are very easy but they add up!

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Saw this note on myswissalps.com

Note that the GoldenPass line between Zweisimmen and Montreux is being renovated until December 2022. This will result in direct trains from Interlaken to Montreux, without a switch in Zweisimmen. Find more information about this GoldenPass Express

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@Threadwear, I think this refers to the delayed introduction of gauge-change trains on the route (the Zweisimmen-Montreux section is meter-gauge, hence the required transfer at Zweisimmen).

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Emily’s trip is in June 2022, so the equipment switch and and schedule modifications do not apply. Her question is a follow -up to an earlier one she posted, trying to work out a route and itinerary for a trip that would include many of the Swiss scenic trains. Bernina Express to Pontresina from Varenna is already part of that. Then they want to head to Montreux, using the Glacier Express. I made a suggestion to alter the route a bit, and this question is a follow-up on that. Here is the earlier thread:

https://community.ricksteves.com/travel-forum/switzerland/my-june-itinerary-needs-help

I’ll start by saying that I use the SBB website, not the app, to figure out routes. But both will show you the fastest and most direct route between your start and end points, and that is not always the one you want. Here, for example, if you start in Pontresina and end at Montreux, they both will route you through Zurich and maybe Bern, instead of showing the route you want, which starts with the Glacier Express. You need to add an intermediate stop or two to force the route to go the way you want. So start by adding a stop in Brig to make it show the GE route.

But even if you put in Pontresina as the start and Brig as the end, most of the routes SBB will display still go through Zurich, and then the deep Lôtschberg Basistunnel to Visp before reaching Brig. That iis still not the route you want. But there is one option that works—-the 8:32 departure from Pontresina which takes the route you want, straight to Brig with no changes. That is the Glacier Express itself.

At Brig, you need to transfer to a train to Spiez to pick up the Golden Pass Panorama train to Montreux. Again, to get SBB to show you the route and schedule you want ( instead of routes through Zurich or Bern), you must have an intermediate stop: Zweisimmen. That will force it to show you trains that run on the Golden Pass route. The trains that depart Spiez at 12 minutes past the hour are the actual Golden Pass trains with the special cars. You will change to them at Zweisimmen, 47 minutes after leaving Spiez.

If you depart Spiez at 10:12, 1212, 13:12, 14.12, or 15:12, you will be on a Golden Pass train with the Panoramic cars. If you depart Spiez at 11:12 or 16:12, you will be in the period-themed Belle Époque cars. ( Note that this is the current schedule, but I don’t think it changes).

If it is the Panoramic cars you want for your ride in First Class down to Montreux, the last departure from Spiez that works is the 15:12. Unfortunately you cannot get there in time if you ri the Glacier Express from Pontresina to Brig; your earliest arrival in Spiez would be 16:23, too late for even the Belle Époque train. The remaining trains on the route for the afternoon are regular regional trains.

This is why I suggested you need to break this journey into 2 days with an overnight stop on the way. Also it is a very long journey for one day if you want to take the “scenic route” instead of faster trains and tunnels.

You could get to Spiez in time for the 14:12 or 15:12 train with Panorama cars if you depart Pontresina earlier than the 8:32 Glacier Express, like 7 or 8 am, but then you will be on regional trains instead of the actual Glacier Express, and you will have 3 or 4 train changes at small stations on the way to stay on the route. Not my idea of a good time.

So—-let us know what you think of spreading the scenic journey over 2 days and spending a night somewhere on the way, and I am sure people will have recommendations ( I have several in mind). Then you can get an earlier start on the second day, and easily make one of the Panorama trains that you would like.

I will note, in response to the comment above about the scenic value of the Golden Pass segment between Interlaken and Luzern, that you will indeed be taking that route later, after your stay in Mürren or elsewhere in the area.

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Lola, Thank you for your thoughtful and detailed reply.