But Pat, they will not have time for Rigi, Pilatus or Stanserhorn while in Luzern. I agree those are very nice—-we have enjoyed spending a night up on Rigi, and on other visits we have hiked up there from our base in Weggis). But they are just looking for a nice place to spend the afternoon and evening, and will depart the next morning. That means time for what? The famed Kapellbrücke was elbow-to-elbow people when we were last there (September 2023), with some selfie-takers blocking the path. There was no possibility to actually enjoy the structure.
Since they are interested in minimizing time spend on trains on their way to Zermatt, Bern just makes more sense.
We were in Bern last September on a Friday afternoon/evening, and the Altstadt street we walked to our restaurant, Gerechtigkeitsgasse (“Justice Street”), was lined with tables spilling out from the restaurants, full of people enjoying the summer evening. It was a party atmosphere, in a friendly, non-rowdy, Swiss way. We enjoyed conversation with the Swiss people at the next table, and with our waiter, who could shift seamlessly from Italian to speak to my husband, to German to speak with me.
On Saturday morning, my husband joined the locals in the river swim., and we had some lovely interactions with people on the river trail. Then we did a bit of shopping for Christmas gifts at a store with local goods (not cheese and chocolate, but handcrafts and kitchenware) before we had to board the train to Mürren.
On our recent visits we have not found a restaurant we enjoy in Luzern; it is a question of what is the “least worst”. The staff at Opus, a wine bar/cafe/restaurant where we enjoyed a nice lunch 15 years ago, was indifferent to our request for a table, and their salad bar/antipasti buffet, which was excellent before, actually looked disgusting. And definitely not worth 21.50 CHF for a small plate. So we left.
We ended up at the outside tables by the river offered by Wirthaus Taube, a well-regarded restaurant with Swiss “grandmother’s cuisine.” Here is their menu.
https://www.taube-luzern.ch/pdf/menu/Taube_2023_11_Winterkarte-CH-DE-EN_web.pdf
We were fine, but the evening was pretty much spoiled by the way the waitstaff treated the people at the next table, tourists from Asia who did not understand the menu and needed lots of help. Let’s just say the waitstaff people were not kind.
I can only attribute this lack of warmth and courtesy on the part of restaurant staff to the effect of overtourism on popular places like Luzern. Blame Instagram photos of the charming Chapel Bridhpge, or other alluring photos, or maybe popular guidebooks or YouTube videos. I not know how else to account for it. We certainly did not encounter this problem elsewhere in Switzerland on our 2022 or 2023 trips.
Also the hotel where we stayed felt cold and business-like; totally lacking the warm and friendly feeling we have usually found everywhere else in Switzerland. Maybe I just made the wrong choices, but on that trip we ended up feeling that Luzern was just interested in tour buses, convention business, and tourist money, and has lost its soul.
I warned you my view of Luzern is not popular here. . . .