Hello All!!! đ
OK, so with all the news about the problems they are having with migrant attacks on females and the population in general in Stockholm.....should I still visit there or skip it and go to Gothenburg or Malmo??
Thanks everyone....really need help with this decision!!! đ
I was in Scandinavia for three weeks earlier this year and I didn't see any people who looked like they were recent immigrants, much less feel like I was in any sort of danger. You are probably not going to be moving in the same circles during your travels as immigrants would be. Additionally, we are really talking about families fleeing horrific conditions in their home countries, not people to be feared.
When you say "all the news", what reports are you referring to? Some links would be useful. A Google search didn't reveal anything recent or of an ongoing nature. One should be careful if relying on anecdotal sources, and of the danger from easily spread misinformation. I say this noting that Mark Zuckerberg is now moving to shut down 'fake news' stories on Facebook after how prevalent they were during the recent US elections.
David: RE A Google search didn't reveal anything recent or of an ongoing nature.
One Google new search found a BBC article that that says the victims are the migrants and the perpetrators appear to be Swedes: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35451080
Malmö would be safer than Stockholm if Kurt Wallander was still on duty but health reasons may have forced Kurt to retire early:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/wallander/facelesskillers_synopsis.html
Escaped from its barn, a ghostly white stallion heralds a gruesome
crime. An elderly farmer and his wife are the victims: the man slain,
the woman only alive enough to mutter "fff..." before expiring.
Wallander thinks she might have been trying to say "foreigner." But,
then, he has immigrants on his mind, having just met his daughter's
new boyfriend of Syrian descent.Also preoccupying the Swedish sleuth is his father's growing dementia,
not to mention his own ill health due to diabetes, poor diet, and
overwork.The situation worsens when a police insider tips off the press that
Wallander heard the dying woman say that her assailants were foreign.
This sparks a wave of revenge attacks by Swedish nationalists against
migrant workers, with a deadly outcome. Even worse, the informant
seems to be feeding tips to the nationalists to help them escape
capture.With two deadly crimes on his hands, Wallander has several suggestive
clues: the woman was strangled with a rope tied with an unusual knot;
her husband was secretly wealthy, with a former mistress and an
illegitimate son; unknown to the woman, her husband had hidden cash in
the barn from which the stallion later bolted; and the migrant's
killers used an old Mercedes for their getaway, identified by a
witness who didn't see it but recognized its distinctive sound.The trail leads Wallander to an encounter of unprecedented violence
for him â an incident that leaves this hardened cop badly shaken,
filled with self doubt, and resolved to give up his career; but not
before he finds the faceless killers.Trying to contain the hate crimes, Wallander tails a suspect whose car
was involved in the migrant murder. The man turns out to be a new
recruit to a neo-Nazi group, meeting with a hardened â and armed â
ringleader. In a confrontation, Wallander shoots the leader dead in
self defense. When police officer Peters arrives on the scene, he
breaks down, confessing that he leaked the "foreigner" allegation and
also gave the neo-Nazis inside information on the case.
Before this thread goes off the rails, please note that Wallander is a fictional character. Let's please try to keep this thread on topic and help Jenny with her understanding of the risks (or lack thereof) involved with visiting Stockholm. Thanks everyone.
Personally I'd worry more about people from the groups of Swedes that have attacked migrants. The first two hits I get are a CNN story and one from the BBC about migrants being attacked, likely for being migrants.
With just a little common sense I canât imagine how your trip to Sweden could be negatively affected by the migrant situation. Itâs a fair question and ignore anyone that thinks there are bad questions or wants to brand you because of your questions. I have a better Google search engine I guess because I got 20 pages of hits on âSweden Migrant Crimeâ and if I do the same search under âNEWSâ and limit it to the last month I get six pages of hits. So, something is going on out there and it isnât always pleasant.
In particular these are not families fleeing a horrible situation. âAccording to official counts, a disproportionate number of these migrants are young, unmarried, unaccompanied males. In fact, the sex ratios among migrants are so one-sidedâweâre talking worse than those in China, in some casesâthat they could radically change the gender balance in European countries in certain age cohorts.â
I'm not sure it's a really good idea to quote year-old articles when giving advice to a question regarding the 'current' situation somewhere.
Here is the current State Department assessment:
https://se.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/security-and-travel-information/
U.S. Embassy in Sweden:
Safety & Security Messages
Home | U.S. Citizen Services | Safety & Security Messages
There are no active Travel Alerts or Warnings for Sweden at this time.
Well done Edgar!
I think I would be hard pressed to find any place in Europe where the risks presented by migrants were anywhere near the threshold where I would change my vacation plans. The crime rates in most of the vacation areas is historically so low, so that even if there is some upswing it still doesn't begin to establish a situation of concern for typical tourism. Even when the situation was totally out of control, it wasn't an issue of safety, it was an issue of transportation and some somewhat unhealthy conditions around some of the transportation hubs. Again, easy as a tourist to work around. Sure would be good if we could put pressure on those that are escalating the destruction of the cultures from where the migrants come.
Thank you to everyone for replying, it has made my decision to visit Stockholm a bit easier. Any suggestions on what to do there (any must sees) if only visiting for 24-48 hrs? Thanks again everyone!!
If just 24 hours, walk around Gamla Stan, perhaps go into the palace. Then take the ferry to Skansen, which will provide more history of how Swedes lived in the past and lovely views. If you are still out at night, go to one of the many jazz clubs. If you have another full day, walk along and picnic on Monteliusvagen, visit Sodermalm's old town and then walk up the commercial street hill...name escapes me, but Apple is at the bottom, and see a regular, youthful neighborhood in action.
Almost everyone goes to see the Vasa-- even if you think you don't care for ships, it is stunning and beautiful. Give it an hour anyway. Sailing in the islands is lovely, you can take a short cruise with several companies, and reminds some people of the San Juan islands. Don't miss the pleasure of wandering in Gamla Stan, but the Palace is immense and I think larger than Buckingham- I might skip it for a first trip. The Nobel Museum is interesting but not flashy and a little more expensive than many museums. I took a walking tour my first time in Stockholm and you might consider something organized like that for part of the day. Second time we rode buses, and walked along the waterfront from the Vasa around to Gamla Stan- stop along the way at a cafe or outdoor bar and enjoy.
PS. I love Wallander and read all my library had by Mankell. Moved on to Nebo and Nesser.
Yes to Nebo, but Nebo and his character Harry Hole are Norwegian. And that said, while Oslo has a visible immigrant population, the 201 1 terrorist attach perpetrator was a lone wolf Norwegian and his victims were Norwegians. Safety from migrants is not an issue in Oslo. That said, Norway like Sweden is rethinking their immigration/refugee policies.
PS Unlike Nesser, Nebo uses real Oslo locations in his novels. Nesser's locations are a fictitious blend of Scandinavian locations. That said, Nesser novels are good reads and one can follow the adventures of Inspector Van Veeteren from case to case.