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Visiting Spain for 17 days (first time).... working on itinerary and any feedback is appreciated!

I'm traveling with my wife in early July to Spain for 17 days and trying to get the most out of the trip without overcrowding the schedule. We are hoping to make a second trip in a few years to visit other parts of Spain not in the current itinerary (i.e. Valencia, Barcelona, Northern Spain). We are flying to/from Madrid and the only constraint is that we need to be in Malaga for 1/2 day to sign some paperwork with a Notary. Here is our preliminary itinerary so far..... any suggestions are welcome!

3 Nights Madrid
2 Nights Salamanca (visiting El Escorial and Segovia on the way to Salamanca by car)
1 Night in Toledo (visiting Avila on the way to Toledo by car)
1 Night in Granada (visiting Consuegra and Ubeda on the way to Granada by car)
2 Nights in Malaga (visiting Nerja and Frigiliana on the way to Malaga by car)
1 Night in Ronda
5 Nights in Seville (visiting Grazalema, Zahara and Arcos de la Frontera on the way to Seville by car)
- 1 day trip to Cadiz and Jerez de la Frontera
1 Night in Cordoba (AVE Train from Seville to Cordoba and then to Madrid next day)

I know this itinerary seems quite packed and with a ton of driving time, but we are trying to include many of the places we've heard so many great things about. A few specific questions we are debating:

  • Should we skip Salamanca in this trip and instead make day-trips to Segovia/Avila from Madrid?
  • Should we skip Toledo overnight and make it a day-trip from Madrid?
  • Is 1 night in Granada enough or should we re-balance the itinerary to make more time there?
  • Is Ronda recommended for overnight stay or better day trip from Malaga?

Sorry for all the questions.... We've been doing a lot of reading, but hoping to get good advice from expert travelers that have explored this part of Spain and have some great insights!

Many thanks!

Ricardo

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It is indeed a bit busy, but just a bit. Also I'll assume you're aware of the heat in early July (it's survivable, but can be brutal especially in Sevilla and Córdoba).
I see two ways to improve it, both of which involve skipping Salamanca - takes you far away in the wrong direction.

Not driving out of Madrid: (preferred)
4 nights Madrid including Segovia day trip. Ávila is less interesting, and you don't have time for two day trips.
1 night Toledo by train
3 nights Granada by train (backtracks to Madrid but no big deal) +bus
Get car on second full Granada day for Ubeda day trip and
2 nights Málaga
2 nights Arcos de la Frontera, from where you day trip to Cadiz and Jerez. You can stop in Ronda and Grazalema on the way from Málaga to Arcos. Ronda would be a fine overnight place but is less convenient for day trips.
Leave car as you get to Sevilla, you don't need it there
4 nights Seville
1 night Córdoba

2. Driving the whole way
If you prefer to drive, I'd do:
3N Madrid
1N Segovia
1N Toledo, passing by Ávila or El Escorial (you'll have to pick one)
then same as above, except you can overnight in Ubeda but that would involve three one night stays in a row.

But be careful driving in the towns, the streets are very narrow and confusing in most of them.

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@ Balso - Thanks for the great suggestions! We've heard about the summer heat, but unfortunately we don't have much flex on dates..... good thing we are coming from Texas, so we are used to the heat! :)

I've been debating with my wife about Salamanca for the same reason you describe and the trade-offs required to add this to the trip. I like the suggestion of adding Arcos as overnight stay and day trip to Jerez & Cadiz vs. driving up to Seville and back down......

We'll make final tweaks this week to start making hotel & train reservations soon after!

Thanks again for taking the time to reply and sharing your insights! Much appreciated!

Ricardo

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I agree with Balso, skipping Salamanca will free up some days to add to your "1 nighters". If you have the option, definitely staying overnight in Toledo will give you a much more profound experience, as in the afternoon most of the daytrippers will have left back for Madrid, and one can explore Toledo's streets in relative peace. Another town where you want to spend at least one night is Cordoba, with reasons similar to Toledo. I would say 2-3 nights in Granada minimum (maybe steal some from Sevilla), Granada has much more to see then just the Alhambra, some don't realise this until it's too late.

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Smart decision to plan to tackle only part of Spain on this trip; it is a huge country. However, have you taken a look at the July temperature statistics for Andalucia? It is entirely possible it will be over 100F every single day. If your next trip could be at a different time of year, I'd recommend that this trip be to the north.

Weather concerns aside, I think you are trying to cover a lot of places.

Have you used viamichelin.com to check the driving times for each proposed leg of the trip? Those times do not include stopping, getting lost, looking for parking, or walking from the parking lot to where you want to be.

Have you gotten tickets to the Alhambra? If not, you need to work on that just as soon as your schedule is solid. Tickets sell out months in advance, so you're probably going to have to do something special to get tickets. You will not be able to have much time at the Alhambra with only one night in Granada, making two stops on the way to the city and two on the way out. You may not be aware that tickets to the Alhambra are timed. If you miss the entry time for your visit to the Nasrid Palaces, you will not get in. And the Alhambra is not the only worthwhile sight in the city. So, yes, I think you need two nights there.

I'm finishing up some time in Spain that began with about 4 weeks in the south. I visited some of the other places you've mentioned in 2016. I have very definite opinions about which of your destinations I would cut in order to allow more time in the remaining places. Obviously, there's room for disagreement, but when you are short on time in places like Granada, I think it's time to take a look at the value of the secondary locations.

The direct drive from Salamanca to Toledo will take at least 3 hours (plus stops, parking, etc.). I would not want to spend one minute of my remaining time in Avila, which is not even a shadow of Toledo (or even Salamanca, or the missing Segovia).

I haven't been to Consuegra. I liked Ubeda, and I'd like for you to keep it on the itinerary because it's quite different from the other southern cities on your list, but you don't have enough time for Granada. The straight drive from Toledo to Granada will take about 4 hours. Detouring to Ubeda will cost an extra 50 minutes (assuming no navigational problems and the immediate appearance of a parking place when and where you need one).

I haven't been to Nerja or Frigiliana, but I'd drop the coastal villages as just not being as interesting as your other destinations, unless beach time is a must. Malaga is a pleasant place. I enjoyed my time there. But it is not Toledo, Seville, Cordoba or Granada. Or Ubeda or Salamanca. What it comes down to is that I think unless you especially want to see the Picasso Museum in Malaga, a second day in Cordoba will be considerably more interesting than a first day in Malaga.

I don't know whether it's practical to hit all three white villages as you drive from Ronda to Seville. I haven't checked viamichelin, but I know you can't make great time on those roads. Ronda, Grazalema and Arcos are nice places; I assume Zahara is, too, but I am doubtful about the practicality of squeezing them all in. Don't forget that you'll want to sit down to a good meal from time to time on this trip.

I like the time you have in Seville. I don't know whether combining Jerez and Cadiz into a single day-trip will work. I think some folks have mentioned spending a good bit of time at the horse show, and then there are the sherry places. I've only been to Cadiz.

I wouldn't want to spend my last night in Cordoba before a transatlantic flight out of Madrid. Once in awhile you run into something like a train strike or major delays. The price of missing that return flight would probably be very high. I'm conservative about positioning myself for flights; if something goes wrong, i want to be an affordable taxi ride from the airport.

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@ Carlos, @ acraven -

Thank you so much for your suggestions. Unfortunately I need to be in Malaga to sign some papers with a Notary and don't have much flex on dates, so will have to put up with the summer heat of southern Spain and plan around it. I'll try to add an extra night in Granada per your suggestions..... just need to figure out what to cut (I'm thinking limiting Malaga to 1 day/1 night only).

I'll also consider leaving Madrid to the end of the trip to avoid traveling the same day as the transatlantic flight. Most importantly, I'll look to book the tickets to Alhambra ASAP, hopefully not to late to get them!

Thanks!

Ricardo