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San Sebastian to Barcelona early July - train or plane?

I'm seeking advice about traveling from San Sebastian to Barcelona. The flight is just over an hour, and the train trip seems to be about 5.5-6 hours. The prices seem relatively comparable if I book ahead of time.
This is our first trip to Spain, and we will have just enjoyed a week in France before arriving in SS.

We're wondering about relative merits -
fast flight/don't see scenery/have to deal with airports/
vs.
longer travel day/potential for seeing a part of Spain we've not explored/no airport hassle

We enjoy the relaxation of traveling by train, but that's a long trip and a good chunk of a day. Is it a scenic trip, or not particularly so?

We would fly in the morning, and that would gain us nearly another whole day in Barcelona, making the total closer to 3 days to explore there, rather than two. We fly home from Barcelona. Or, we could fly in the evening and squeeze one more day of fun in San Sebastian.

Thanks for any advice you can share.
Laurie

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It is a nice trip. You cross the mountains, then you go to Pamplona (where the running of the bulls takes place-San Fermín), and you end up at Zaragoza, where the train takes the high speed line to Barcelona. You see different parts of Spain, it takes just a bit longer but much more relaxed (no security, you can walk...).
Bear in mind you have to go to Donosti airport, then from Barcelona airport to the city, add security...and more or less it can be the same time. Take the 07:28 Alvia train. Prebook well in advance at www.renfe.com and you will get a superb fare. Sometimes renfe.com doesn't like American credit card security standards, but select the PayPal option and it will work.

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Joan, thank you for your response! Since you're from Barcelona, can you please offer some specifics about the train system?

What's the booking horizon? I am not able to see prices for my July dates yet, and want to jump on it ASAP. Trainline says 62 days ahead of departure - is that the same for Renfe?

Is "+RENFE JOVEN 50" by chance a discount for travelers over 50? (Wishful...) I tried putting in 2 for that part, and put our kids in as adults (which they are), and the total number of passengers was only 3, not 5. Clearly my Spanish needs work! :-) (I speak French - and only a little Spanish!)

Are there any promotional codes I could use?

Which train station in Barcelona? We are staying right near Las Ramblas.

Which website do you think is the best to use? I've had good experiences with Capitaine Train/Trainline, but that was in France.

This is our first trip to Spain, and I am excited! I appreciate your help. Thanks!
Laurie

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Spain has a senior-discount card, the Tarjeta Dorada, but you have to be 60 to buy and use one. I believe "joven" is "youth", or something like that. Have no idea what the "50" refers to.

For long-distance trains in Europe, you most often do not have a choice of stations. Those trains usually just stop at one place in each city; doing otherwise would slow them down. You'll be arriving at Barcelona Sants.

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Let's try to be clear...
1-Renfe Joven card +50 is a card for young people (under 30 years old) that applies a 50% of discount on the full fare on all long distance trains, such the Alvia train. Forget about cards and discounts, the real discount at www.renfe.com is the Promotional fares (Promo fares ) and the Mesa fares, that applies up to 70% of discount and leaves the cost at almost nothing. The key point to obtain those fares is to book super early, and to book fast, as those fares are limited in time and number.
2-The theory says you can book from 62 days before the train departs. As I can see at www.renfe.com, you can book now that route up to the 28/05/2018 , so that means there is still a month to pass. What spaniards do is to check the website every day. If it is available, you buy it, if not, well, try tomorrow.
As you are 5 persons, I would try to do 2 purchases: 4 persons (you could get a superb Mesa-Table fare) and 1 person. Everyone gets a seat, but 1 person might have to travel separately from others. You can change during the journey the seats so no one is lonely all the time. Don't worry, the trains in Spain are super modern and you can walk all along the train.
Mesa fares are super great for families, it is super simple: 4 persons get seated all around a table: 2 seats are facing forwards, 2 seats are facing backwards. And the table is great as you can do activities: play cards, chess...whatever you like.
Unlike the US, when you buy your ticket automatically you have the coach number and the seats, so everyone knows where you will seat exactly...no wait for the train conductor, he/she only checks that you have seated at the right seat and you have a valid ticket.
3-Forget about promo codes, just book early in advance. If you follow my advice you will have a superb fare.
4-The main train station (and only) for trains that use the High Speed line (250 km/h for ALVIA trains...super fast!) is Barcelona Sants. Once you arrive at Barcelona Sants, you can take the Metro or Rodalies. Rodalies (catalan name for Cercanías) are the commuter trains of Barcelona, that stop at key points like Passeig de Gràcia, Plaça Catalunya (this is the top of Les Rambles). These trains are super fast, and they run very frequently all day (3 minutes)...and why am I telling you about this stuff? Because with all your train tickets from San Sebastián you have free of charge a free ticket on Rodalies once you arrive at Barcelona Sants, so you can go wherever you like into the Rodalies network. And that includes Plaça Catalunya as well. Once you get your tickets (print at home or show them on your mobile, super easy) you will see there is a code called Combinado Cercanías in every ticket. Once you arrive at Sants station, go to any orange machine, touch Combinado Cercanías, type the code and magic...a free ticket comes for anywhere you like inside Rodalies network. Do this for every code, once you have your ticket go to Platform 8 at Sants and take any train you like, in 3 minutes you will be at Plaça Catalunya!
The best website is www.renfe.com , the official provider and the only one that sells mesa fares as well. Other retailers do not sell that fare. Once you end your purchase, you will get a PDF in the mail provided. Print it, and you're all good to go.
While you wait your train to be opened for purchase, I suggest doing 3 things:
1-To set up a PayPal account: Renfe website doesn't like the security standards of US cards...so set up a PayPal account with your card, and use the PayPal option at www.renfe.com
2-To be calm when buying at renfe.com . It is a challenging website, but once you have the trick it is very easy. Use google translate if necessary, and practise a simulation of a purchase. Note that all purchases at renfe.com can be cancelled up to 2 hours free of charge...everyone makes mistakes sometimes, and more spaniards!

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And the third thing...is to learn a bit of spanish. Spanish is always welcome, even if you just say 2 or 3 words like buenos días and gracias...it helps as spaniards are proud of their language...but they will also switch to English if they can help you more, as many Spaniards try to practise English whenever they can...as it is not their mother language...like me! In Barcelona, your french will be very useful, as there we also speak Catalan, which is kind of a mix between Spanish and French (Enric M, don't kill me!)...so you will be able to understand it a lot.
Once in Barcelona, I reccomend buying a T-10 card to use the public transport. It is super cheap, allows 10 journeys on all public transport (bus, metro, Rodalies, Trams, FGC trains) at only 10,20, it can be shared up to 10 persons, and has free transfers for 1h 15 min.
"El que la sigue, la consigue"-spanish proverb.
PS: I suggest looking also at www.seat61.com . It has lots of advice and images for visitors in our country.
PS2: During your journey, it is possible that the train moves very slowly into a "warehouse" and there is no electricity for 2-3 minutes...don't panic, the train is changing from the classic line to the High Speed, and it is also changing the wheel gauge...Spain classic line were built with a greater wheel gauge than the European ones, and the High Speed lines are built with the european gauge, so trains have adjust the gauge in an automatic system inside that warehouse...no one has to move, it is quite quick and some people don't notice it...but I think that it should be explained so you can understand some "stranger things"...haha!

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Dear Joan,
Muchas muchas gracias!!!! You've given me a wealth of information, and I am very appreciative! I am sorry for the delay in my reply - we've been on Spring Break...but now I'm ready to roll with this plan. The tickets have just become available on renfe.com, so we're trying to figure out how to manage with PayPal.

Truly, I am so glad you shared such an abundance of practical advice. This was exactly what I needed.
Thanks for taking the time to write the helpful details.

Sincerely,
Laurie

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Okay, the tickets are available for purchase, but not with the Mesa rate at all. I don't know if that means that we're too late or they're not offered on that route.

Any thoughts about that availability? I tried asking the "wizard" on renfe.com, but the service is not available at this time! (Even though her image is blinking at me in an unsettling way! :-) )

Thanks,
Laurie

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Hi Joan,

Great information, thank you. I have printed several Renfe tickets and see the bar code with a 13 digit number, but I do not see the words "Combinado Cercanías" that you are referring to, on the tickets. Would the orange machine just take this 13 digits number to give us the free Cercanías tickets? My tickets are from Barcelona to Madrid and from Madrid to Seville.
Am I correct to assume that the same thing works in Madrid or even Seville or not?
Thanks in advance. mj

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Well, here is some good news and some perplexing news.

I was able to use my Chase credit card on the Renfe site without much trouble - so that was a relief. I bought a sample ticket to practice as Joan recommended, was able to go through the system, and got the low rate. I was not able to cancel it afterward, though. On Sunday night in US/ 3 a.m. Monday morning in Spain, there aren't any English speaking agents to help me figure out if I can cancel this ticket in that 2 hour window! No big surprise there. Fortunately I managed to understand the agent's rapid-fire Spanish that he didn't speak French nor English, and I had to call back mañana at 7:00.

So, I'm the triumphant owner of one of the five tickets we will need to purchase! I'm going to call in the morning and speak to an English speaking agent to purchase the rest of the tickets and try to combine the reservation and seats. We did not see any option for the table, unfortunately - but perhaps an agent can help with that if it is something available that I just missed.

Thank goodness for Google Translate - I could figure out much of the verbiage on the site, but not all - and I wanted to be very sure I didn't make a costly mistake.

Thanks again, Joan, for your invaluable help! And hopefully, my successful use of my Chase Visa on that site will help others give it a try as well. I think it will give us some travel protection that PayPal wouldn't provide.

Laurie

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Thank you very much Joan, I see the code now! :)

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Done! As suggested, I visited this site: https://www.seat61.com/international-trains/trains-from-San-Sebastian.htm#San_Sebastian_to_Barcelona and learned some more new information.

I decided to try his recommended ticket site of www.loco2.com, hoping for an easier experience in English. (I called Renfe today and wasn't successful in getting an English speaking agent). I compared the prices with the Renfe prices side by side today - they were equal - but more expensive than yesterday! (This might be the difference between first and second class seats...strangely, it looks like first class is less expensive! (preferente vs. turista) ) So I bought the rest of our family's tickets, in Euros, and they are grouped together. I'll be in a different car - or as Joan suggested, we can rotate that seat for the family member who seeks some solitude and space :-) That single ticket might be the preferente rate! I may be traveling first class. Ha!

I mention it in case anyone else who isn't fluent in Spanish wants to try the loco2 site. This is the advice from "the man in seat 61": Book at either www.loco2.com (recommended, easy to use. in £ or €) or www.petrabax.com (in US$ with small mark-up) or www.renfe.com (the operator's own site, but somewhat quirky, see this advice on using it). You print your own ticket. Booking only opens 60 days ahead, often a bit less, so don't bother trying to book too far ahead.

Whew! I am relieved. Thanks again for the help. This forum is terrific.

Laurie