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Driving the Camino (sort of)- thoughts on this itinerary

Hi. Could use some input. I've been stressed and overthinking all of this. I found a travel
planner but they seem to just be going through the motions sending me to the same tourist hotels, sams restaurants, same stops that they send 1000 people a year.

Here is what she charted. I've changed a few hotels but am wondering if there are areas you would skip/add/allow more time. Also restaurants from local to well known...just awesome! It's my first trip to SpainQ. I will hit Madrid for a few nights, then BCN before returning home.

Bilbao
Day one. Bilbao
Overnight

Day 2 leave Bilbao

3h drive through San Sebastian. Overnight in Pamplona

Day 3 go from Pamplona
1h30hr and overnight in
La Guardia

Day 4. Leave La Guardia
1h40 direct / 2h20 through Yuso and Suso to Burgos

Day 5 leave Burgos
2h30 through Leon
To
Astorga

Day 6 Astoria to Santiago
3h30 through Ponferrada + 30min through Las Medulas

Day 7 depart early

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I had the following trip planned for 2015, but circumstances changed and the trip never eventuated.
I have previously visited Bilbao, San Sebastián and Pamplona, so they're not included here.

Day 1 Fly in to Santander
http://www.hotelsardinero.es/en

Day 2 Santillana del Mar
http://www.posadaherran.es/

Day3,4 Oviedo
http://m.barcelo.com/en_GB/hotels/spain/oviedo/hotel-barcelo-oviedo-cervantes/index.jsp

Day 5,6 Picos de Europa
http://www.hoteldeloso.com/

Day 7 Leon
http://www.nh-hotels.com/nh/en/hotels/spain/leon/nh-plaza-mayor.html

Day 8 Parador Monforte de Lemos
http://www.parador.es/en/paradores/parador-de-monforte-de-lemos

Day 9,10 Rias Baixas
http://www.royalnayef.com/?lang=en

Day 11,12 Santiago de Compostela
http://www.costavella.com/

Day 13 Depart from Santiago de Compostela

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I was just at Las Medulas a couple of weeks ago. It is a very impressive place. But I think your timing is a little off for that drive. ViaMichelin shows the route through Ponferrada, with a detour to Las Medulas and on to Santiago, as 4.5 hours. That would only be driving time, with no stops. If you intend to actually walk up to see Las Medulas, you need to allow time to wind your way up the mountain, park, and walk up the rest of the way. We were probably there an hour or so, just walking up from the parking lot, taking photos, going through the Roman tunnel, and walking back down. So that would make that day more like 5.5 hours or more from Astorga to Santiago.

Burgos to Astorga, via Leon, is over a 3 hour drive (again, with no stops). But it would be a shame not to stop to see the beautiful Leon cathedral while you are right there. If you are stopping there you will need to find parking, and just seeing the cathedral (without seeing the cloisters or the art museum) will take you probably 45 minutes or so. The same is true of Day 2 - are you actually planning to just drive through San Sebastian on your way to Pamplona, or stop and see something? What I am trying to say is, be aware that there are time-eaters at every turn that will make each day's drive longer than you are allowing - photo ops, lunch, driving breaks, going into the places that you are going so far to see. The roads are good, but you can't make the same time driving up a mountain as you can on flat road.

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I don't want to sound like a grumpy dad scolding the children, far from that, but... just for info... some of you guys have this habit of shortening foreign names without knowing at all what they mean. It's a very bad habit I must say... as too often it results either in places that do not exist, questions that are too unprecise or worst, it simply makes any local laugh at the absurdity. Names are assigned for a reason so it's best if one uses them accordingly.

Camino = generic word for "path". Any question about "the camino" to a local would certainly result in a "what camino is that?" answer. The name is "Camino de Santiago" if you're in Galizia, Castilla, Navarra even Aragon and "Camí de Sant Jaume" if you're in Catalonia, or "Chemin de Saint Jacques" if you're in France noting too that the path ends in Santiago de Compostela indeed but has several different origins (ie Montserrat in Catalonia: http://www.amicscsj.esy.es/camins/csj/planocsja.jpg, or Paris, Arles, LePuy and Vezelay if in France: https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cam%C3%AD_franc%C3%A8s_de_Sant_Jaume#/media/File:Ruta_del_Camino_de_Santiago_Frances.svg)

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I was concerned about her scheduling. So I'm glad you brought that up. If there are places to skip, please let me know I've booked Bilbao, Pamlona and Santiago hotels but I believe I can cancel those..
I fly into Bilbao. I am open to ideas just have to be in Santiago Friday afternoon.

The other route through the Picos de Europa looks awesome..

Sorry, Dad for shortening the proper name:).

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Sandra, I'm currently in Burgos--a very attractive city. Perhaps this information will be of some use. I think these sre cosidered the three major religious sites.

The Catedral is in the center of town, as usual. It's open daily at least 9:30 AM to 6:30 PM, but probably 6:30 is the latest entry time, not when they throw you out. I spent 2 hours inside, but I used the self-guided English audio tour, and if I pay to see something, I'm for sure going to see it. I'm certain most people spend less time there.

The Real Monasterio de las Huelgas is about a mile from the Catedral, easy to locate if you have a map-equipped electoric device that knows where you are, but otherwise it could be a bit tricky since Burgos isn't overly blessed with street signs. Tourist office info states that hours are Mon-Sat 10 AM to 1 PM and 4 PM to 5:30 PM. Sunday hours were reported to be 10:30 AM to 2 PM, but the signage on-site today said Sundays till 3 PM. This site requires a tour (departing frequently), available in Spanish only. I saw no information in English (didn't notice signage in Spanish, either). My group (Sunday around noon) had at least 35 people, and I certainly wasn't going yo waste the time of so many other people by asking the guide to repeat something. The tour lasted about 40 minutes, and we hurried past a few things I would have liked to look at a little longer. Parts of rooms were roped off, so you're couldn't get close enough to see some things well. The overall experience (at 6 euros) was not particularly good for me. That said, there are many beautiful things in the complex, including some Mudejar features and interesting medieval textiles in the museum.

The third site, the Cartuja de Miraflores, is roughly 3 miles from the cathedral. Again, it would be great to have an electronic map for navigation. Tourist office info says the hours are Mon-Sat 10:15 AM to 3 PM and 4 PM to 6 PM; Sunday hours are the same except that opening is at 11 AM. This is a smaller place, but I much preferred the experience here. You go through the church and connected museum rooms at your own pace, using the (optional) 2-euro English guide book. You can walk right up to most of the features to get a good look. There's a really stunning Berruguete painting of the Annunciation in the museum area. Entry is free, but they gladly accept donations. I spent about 90 minutes at the Cartuja, but others were moving through consideranly faster.

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David and all,
Thanks for sharing. Since you have already been to Pamplona and San Sebastián and Bilbao, would you say it was worth the time spent? I like your routing but only have 5 nights to end up in Santiago for Friday mass....wondering about switching it all up and going your way. Traveling solo if that matters.

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Given your limited time I think you are trying to do too much, and I would suggest leaving out Pamplona and Rioja, as I think including them makes the end of your trip too rushed. (It's a shame you don't have two weeks). I would say definitely include Bilbao and San Sebastian, unless you want to reduce the length (distance) of the journey.

This may be a good combination, if you want to choose the Asturian/Cantabrian Coast over Navarra (Pamplona). Here it makes more sense to start in San Sebastian rather than Bilbao.

Day 1 San Sebastian
Day 2 Bilbao
Day 3 Santander / Santillana del Mar
Day 4 Oviedo
Day 5 via Leon to Astorga
Day 6 via Ponferrada and Lugo to Santiago de Compostela
Day 7 Depart Santiago de Compostela

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David - I like your idea but I am committed to flying into Bilboa. Dropping Pamplona. May just not do San Sabastian unless it is a do not miss?

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Perhaps spend the first 2 nights in Bilbao and leave open the option to visit San Sebastian as a day trip on Day 2. In this case you would really need to get into Bibao early on Day 1 to visit the Guggenheim.

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Ok. It's all figured out with a messed up first day. Arrive Bilbao at 11. CK out the outside of the Museum. What else?

Drive to swan Sebastian for lunch and sightseeing

Drive to Pamplona for the night because it was no. Reusable but they let me change it. Best restaurant around Pamplona for dinner?