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Cordoba, Spain - ArtenCordoba Tour Comapany REFUSED Refund after UNABLE to Provide Tour!

At times, I have difficulty evaluating the impartiality of TripAdvisor reviews due to not knowing who the reviewer is and their knowledge of travel. In response to my own stated concern, I hereby present my credentials to assist others in making an informed decision regarding the impartial veracity of my review.

I have globally traveled eight times per year for the past 28 years as a current 62-year-old Doctor, who has also attended law school. I am well-educated, and strongly feel that I am an excellent judge of character, a gentleman, kind, fair, patient, and take 100% responsibility for all my actions. I very rarely write negative reviews, except when the principles of decency and trust are violated along with a lack of empathy and denial of responsibility as an expression of greed.

My story... I booked a private tour with ArtenCordoba on 31 August 2016 for the date of 02 October 2016, for 146.60 Euros with a start time of 4:00 pm. The three hour tour was to include three components, that is, a tour of the Mezquita - Cathedral, Synagogue of Córdoba, and Alcazar de los Reyes Cristianos. I depended on ArtenCordoba to organize the tour with knowledge and expertise, including any closing times of the requested historical sites.

On the day of the tour, when the two of us were led to two of the scheduled tour sites (the Synagogue and Alcazar de los Reyes Cristianos), they were closed. I requested verbally and in writing a refund of 50%, i.e., 50 euros. My logic was simple - I contracted for a specific set of services and such was not provided due to a lack of knowledge by the provider (Artencordoba) regarding the availability to contract for the requested tours. Further, the tour lasted only 1.5 hours as a result of the closures of the tour sites. I wrote directly to the English speaking wife of the owner and the person I originally contracted with, i.e., Pilar Ramirez, Director of Programming and Organization at ArtenCordoba. Her miserly response was:

"From: Reservas Artencordoba
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 4:32 AM
To: Ronald S
Subject: Re: October 02, 2016 Tour. Ref no. AC16/000303 v1

Good morning Ronald,
The price you paid is for the service of the guide + the tickets. Ana, the guide, told me that she refunded you the price of the tickets (10 euros)."

Pilar Ramirez's response is nonsensical.

First of all, Pilar Ramirez is an owner of the company. She makes the decisions with her owner husband. Second, the obvious greed and dishonesty in her refusal to provide a refund is representative of how Pilar Ramirez and Artencordoba handle business in regards to necessary refunds.

You, the tourist, are at risk for such deceptive and dishonest behavior. For example, if you, the reader, contract for 146 euros (service=100 and parts=46) with a auto repair shop to repair your car, you are employing the mechanic AND service that he/she will provide. When you return for your car on the specified day, the mechanic reports that he has only fixed one of three items because two of the three part shops were closed. He proceeds to refund 10 euros for the unpurchased parts and keeps the remainder because in the logic of the mechanic/Artencordoba, I employed a mechanic (guide), not a service. It does not matter if the work/service was completed or provided. This type of thinking is dishonest, greedy, and manipulative with a lack of empathy that the tourist has traveled thousands of miles and expended thousands of dollars in reliance of ArtenCordoba's and Pilar Ramirez's promise of services and expertise.

Adding insult to injury, Pilar Ramirez at ArtenCordoba has a history of denouncing negative reviews as the writings of competitors attempting to destroy her business; and at other times, making excuses to avoid doing the right thing.

Posted by
1194 posts

How about contacting Chris Elliott (the travel troubleshooter)? His website is elliott.org

With any service there is implied usability. For example, a rental car has to run in order for you to be charged for its use.

Posted by
2114 posts

If you paid by credit card (which I am guessing is likely since you booked so far in advance) file a dispute against the merchant with the credit card company. There is very good chance you will be refunded accordingly.

And, it might be wise to remove your email address from the email you attached in your posting, since that will allow just about anyone reading this to potentially use your email address /name, etc. for less-than-desirable purposes.

Posted by
2942 posts

Hi rsalem,

You could try placing a formal complaint at the ombudsman. Since the issue happened in Andalucía you should address it to their government, the Junta de Andalucía. This is the website for the consumer affairs. Note however that sadly they don't offer assistance in English or any other language -at least in their official sites- so you'll need to get assistance from a Spanish-speaker. Should that have happened here in Barcelona -or elsewhere in Catalonia- our government serves in four languages: Catalan and Aranès, both local languages, Spanish and English.

The Junta de Andalucía also provides a free service for consultation which includes a free phone -but only if you're calling from Spain.

Posted by
3 posts

Thank you everyone for your kind and rapid replies! I will follow all of your recommendations! I am am flabbergasted by all the positive replies of assistance!

Posted by
2114 posts

How did you find this tour company?

If you checked out the company on Trip Advisor first (before booking) and saw the negative reviews (I haven't looked), that's an early warning.

Other than doing a credit card dispute (which I think will result in a positive outcome for you), it may be just best to chalk it up to a bad experience, post your own review on Trip Advisor (to warn others), and then press on in life.

It sounds as though all (or at least most) of all your other travel decisions re: vendors have been good ones (since you mention rarely writing negative reviews), so it sounds like this is just a rare disappointing experience. And, in the scheme of life, it's not THAT much money out of pocket.. Is it right? No. But, don't let the stress of it linger in your mind.

I hope the rest of your trip was absolutely wonderful, and I wish you many future joyous travel moments!!!

Posted by
2707 posts

If it's any consolation the Mezquita is the highlight of Cordoba. I did not seee the Alcazar but it supposedly does not hold a candle to the one in Sevilla. The synagogue is a small single room with a few words of Hebrew here and there, a balcony where the women prayed (closed when we were there) and nothing else. We used the audio guides at the Mezquita and did not feel they were very good. In hindsight I would have paid what you did just for an English speaking guide.

Posted by
2942 posts

For extra info...

In Spain, consumer disputes can be handled in two manners at no cost to you: "reclamación" and "denuncia" (funny enough they both translate to the same word in Google: "complaint")

The first one involves the mediation of the ombudsman between both parties using a system of arbitration. This system costs nothing to use and it usually resolves a great deal of "misunderstandings" (I'm being politically correct here, lol!) between providers and consumers without having to litigate. It, however, does not cover all type of disputes and also it's veeeeery slow to conclude as it's quite bureaucratic.... it does take months! Note though that arbitration is not forceful, meaning that even if the ombudsman fails to your favour, the other party can refuse to accept the judgment. In those cases, your next option is litigation. It's important to say though that arbitration works rather well in many cases and if your dispute gets finally resolved to your benefit this way it's the cheapest way to enforce your rights.

The second one is aimed to inform the Public Administration about the possible administrative offense in terms of consumption made by the denounced party so they're investigated and if necessary, the denounced party might be forced to rectify and correct the infringement. This option has no cost for you either but it can also take a long time to be resolved and does not necessarily mean you're going to be restituted.

The third and more straight way of resolving disputes is litigation of course.. and while the legal system in many European countries is (luckily!) different from that in the US and you don't need to be rich to sue :)) -you know what I mean!- still for minor disputes is certainly too costly (in fees to the bloodsuckers I mean!)

But hey, a word of warning for all seafarers out there visiting Spain... as I've mentioned in other posts in the past, Spain is not a country as such... there are different autonomous governments with different degrees of powers and also different codes of law, not to mention sometimes even different procedures... so you need to be aware that the same issue might be resolved differently depending where it occurred. In all, for practical reasons, think different regions of Spain, especially Catalonia and Basque Country, as if they were different countries altogether.

Posted by
993 posts

Wow that is really disappointing!! We used Arten Cordoba twice in March during Semana Santa (I think we had Ana too) and had a great time.

But I am with you, that is totally unacceptable. I hope you are successful on getting refunded!

Kim

Posted by
16893 posts

I don't think that the tour company really can predict all the "exceptional" closures that may occur at the sites. Certainly not at the time that you made the booking, and perhaps not even on the day of departure, since calling up various offices doesn't always result in an accurate answer. The web sites that purport to show opening hours don't mention any closures planned for Oct. 2; for instance, see http://www.turismodecordoba.org/84/gdocumental/l2_a3_c1/horarios.pdf. Did you hear of any reason for the closure?

Posted by
86 posts

All of the suggestions are fine. But, I have had the most "luck" (domestically only) in disputing a Visa charge with the bank, credit card company. In some cases, they credit your credit card "provisionally" and await the business's response. If they don't dispute it, you win. If they successfully "prove" the charge dispute is unfounded, then the charge stays, or if a "provisional credit" pending resolution, comes off.. This is way it worked me in the US. I don't know if the same process translates to foreign countries. You might also research consumer protects apply in the EU, and act accordingly.

Posted by
32791 posts

The question was asked in October of 2016 and no updates since then so the OP has probably moved on since then.