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24-Days Spain & Portugal Family Travel Itinerary Suggestions

We are a family of five with three boys (ages 15,14,10) and booked inexpensive rountrip flights to/from Madrid from the USA this upcoming June 19 through July 12. In total, we'll have about 24-Days and would like to mainly visit Spain but add in some Portugal as I have a friend near Lisbon. I would like suggestions and/or thoughts on how to make the routing as seamless as possible and engaging for the kids. We're okay with flying point to point and trains if less than a few hours but not so much buses. I have experience renting cars and driving all over Europe - so can consider that as needed. Here are my initial thoughts:

Day 1: Arrive Madrid and immediately fly out to Lisbon.

Day 1-7: Portugal. Should we split up Lisbon and Porto? or stay in one place? How many nights is ideal? # nights?
Day 8-14: Barcelona. This too many/few nights?
Day 15-21: San Sebastian or Malaga/Marbella. Debating going north or south--not sure which would be more interesting for the kids. Too many nights? Seems like the south would have more beach and day trips, whereas the north could be more quaint.
Day 22-24: Madrid. See some sights, maybe Toledo day trip. Return home.

We can arrange in any direction and spend as many days as makes sense. Don't want to be bored and spend too many days in one place, but don't want to be nomadic either. On the fence between the south of Spain vs the north (Malaga/Marbella vs San Sebastian)--could even do both if we take some days from other places. Thanks for any insight guidance provided.

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The best way to engage the boys is to involve them in the planning. They will come up with unusual and interesting ideas: renting a rowboat on a Scottish loch, visiting a video games parlor in Kanazawa, Japan, touring a tank museum in Bovington, England (examples from my family). Have some family meetings with a map (and guidebooks from the library). Once you have a list of suggested sites you'll know how long to stay in each place.

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Andalucía (and to a somewhat lesser extent Madrid/Toledo) is likely to be brutally hot at the time of your visit. I'd definitely stay north, and--in contravention of the usual suggestion to put your flight-departure point at the end of your itinerary--I'd be inclined to do my sightseeing around Mardrid at the beginning of the trip. The weather odds are better in June than in July. This has the advantage of eliminating the risk of missing your onward flight to Lisbon, which unfortunately is going to be a on separate ticket, so all the financial risk is yours. I wouldn't want to have to buy five new tickets at the last-minute, walk-up fare.

In addition to Toledo (my favorite smaller Spanish city), I also recommend Segovia. I do not have children and am not a good person to speculate about what might interest yours, but that aqueduct is a knock-out, and the architecture in Segovia is different from what you'll see in Madrid and Toledo. There are other sights in the city as well.

There's much to see in and around Barcelona, which unfortunately can also be somewhat unpleasant in the summer if the humidity is high. (It will not, however, have the over-100F temperatures of Andalucía.) If you enjoy hiking/walking, a day-trip to Montserrat will probably afford some cooler weather. And there are some attractive beaches not too far away. I love Girona, which has a large medieval core with a walkable wall and a number of historic sights. Note that many of the top sights in Barcelona are so popular that you must buy tickets (usually timed tickets) in advance, so you'll need to figure out what key sights are important to you and return here so we can tell you which ones need to be pre-purchased.

Up in the Basque Country, I'm one of the people who prefers the much less touristy Bilbao to San Sebastian. The latter's entire (small) historic district seems to be given over to tapas bars. Both cities are worth visiting, however. The third Basque regional capital of Vitoria-Gasteiz is also interesting. Its large historic district sits on a hill with outdoor escalators available to take the sting out of the climb. The good-sized coastal town of Handarribia, practically on the French border, is also worthwhile. It has a fishermen's district (restaurants are there) and an older medieval district on a hill (no escalators). There are also several nice small costal towns, former fishing villages that are now touristy: Zumaia, Getaria and Zarautz near San Sebastian; Lekeitio between SS and Bilbao; and Bermeo near Bilbao. The Basque countryside is very pretty. I visited all the places I have mentioned by public transportation (buses often needed) except for Lekeitio.

Edited to add: The fastest way to travel between Bilbao and San Sebastian is definitely by bus. But the local railway line provides views of some very, very nice scenery, so it's worth going that way if you can spare the time. The bus, however, is very comfortable. Arguably more comfortable than that particular train, which I recall as having plastic seats of the type you might find on a subway car.

I haven't been to Portugal recently, but I know that you should not try to see Porto while staying in Lisbon, or vice versa. You'll need (at least) two bases in Portugal if you want to see Porto. Traveling from Barcelona to Portugal just to see Lisbon would chew up quite a lot of time for the flights back and forth. I'd tend to want to see more of the country if I were going to go there. But Spain (even just the part north of Madrid) is a very large place with many interesting potential destinations, so it's a trade-off.

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Don't be avoidant of Spanish buses. Spain's trains are fine - where they go. But the Spanish train network is not as developed as that of some other European countries, and the high speed network is skeletal. Since buses fill in these gaps, everyone takes them - not just the "bad element" we associate with buses in the US. Furthermore, some of the buses are quite fancy. The one I took from San Sebastian to Vitoria-Gasteiz had decent Wi-Fi (faster than at my San Sebastian hotel), as well as a screen at every seat with movies and games, a USB charging plug at every seat, and an outlet for every pair of seats. All for about €7!

Yes, it's several hours journey between Lisbon and Porto, so if you want to see both, you'll need to stay in both. I also agree that in June, the beaches in the north (on the Atlantic) will be more appealing than the ones in the south (on the Mediterranean). Note that Barcelona has beaches, both in the city itself and in smaller towns nearby; I don't know how they are in June. Assume all beaches will be crowded June, all over the country.

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Opinion based upon 22 days in Portugal in 2017 and 22 days in España in 2018.

  1. Portugal - Lisboa only with side trips to Sintra and Cascais. More than enough to do for 7 days in Lisboa. I loved Porto but you will waste too much time traveling. Buy Viva Viagem cards for everyone.

  2. España
    a. I presume you plan to fly LIS to BCN.
    b. Right amount of time in Barcelona. It will be jammed with tourists. Possible day trips to: Montserrat and Sitges (a great beach town). If you plan to visit La Sagrada Familia, then buy tickets way in advance for 0900 entrance.
    c. Getting from Barcelona to Donostia is painful. And, it will make the crowds in Barcelona seem mild. We really enjoyed Donostia, but we were there in late September. I think Euskal Herria is one of the best parts of España as we stayed in Bilbo, Donostia and Irunea.
    d. You could consider Zaragoza. No one goes there, but there is plenty to do for a few days. We loved it.
    e. More time in Madrid.

  3. I don't write trip reports, but I do Yelp. 240 reviews for the two vacations.
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Zaragoza was mind-blowingly hot when I was there in late-July 2016. It wouldn't kill you on a brief stay, but be mentally prepared for it, and choose a hotel (air-conditioned, of course) that's close to the sights so you don't have to be outdoors too much.

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Jeremy, I saw your post bc of the mention of kids and Spain (which we are thinking about). As another POV, Ive traveled to Europe with my three kids, now 16, 14, and 11 (15, 13, and 10 in summer 2018), a couple times, and I consult them very little. They are so different, and I know them well, both their interests and temperaments, so I plan with those in mind. I do invite them to participate - I tell them the places we will likely go, or if I am wavering between 2-3 towns, and suggest they google them or read some of the guide books I get, but the younger two dont and my eldest daughter comes back to me with very detailed ideas :p

In general I plan two activities per day. I plan to arrive at the first one when it opens. I find that energy and attitude go downhill as the day goes on (for the younger two anyway), so I try to get as much in that they won't necessarily enjoy, or that will be overwhelming because of crowds, heat, and amount of time, early (hello Uffizi, Vatican, et al). I try to do something outdoors in the afternoon, or at least plan the afternoon activity to be more flexible so we have time to hang out and be outdoors (example: Musee d'Orsay in the morning for two hours at opening, then walk around Notre Dame islands in the afternoon, and go in it, which takes a lot less bandwidth than a museum). I also look for opportunities to swim. This is a good mental and physical outlet, so anywhere we go, I look for swimming (turns out there is a man-made beach along the Seine in August. We weren't there for it, but good to know. My son is much more agreeable when he gets infusions of stuff like that every few days). I have also occasionally let the younger two stay in our rental and - gasp - play video games in the afternoon because they just cannot stand to sitesee anymore or go to another museum, but my husband, eldest daughter and I want to go!
Traveling for that amount of time is a wonderful experience, and its wonderful to be forced together all day every day (sincerely), but its also exhausting, and I think there can be a learning curve in realizing how exhausting it is for the kids, and how architecture and just wandering around villages is not the thrill of their lives ;) Also, gelato every day.

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FYI- July 5- 16 2019 in Pamplona is running with the bulls. I like Pamplona but not during San Fermin although it may be your liking. I have friends that stay in San Sebastián and travel down to Pamplona for the festivities. Hotels are booked and get maximum prices.

I liked the Salvador Dali home in Port Lligat & museum in Figueres north of Barcelona, may be of interest for boys.

I love Portugal - Lisbon, Belém, Sintra, Pena Palace, Moor Castle, Fatima, Tomar, Nazare, Porto. Porto has the Harry Potter connection as JK Rowling’s taught English there and references in the novels some have connected to places like the Lello bookstore and Cafe Majestic and the winged lion fountain. I think the university students in their black capes will not be in session.

There will be plenty of soccer arenas for you to visit. I would suggest to get ideas go to AirBNB as they have “Experiences” Sports,Nature, classes & workshops, you can read about that may be of interest to your family.

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I would do as a minimum 4 nights Lisbon take the train to Porto - get tickets on CP-Comboios de Portugal, takes about 2.5 hours, you get a 3+discount, book early for cheaper fares.
Porto 2 night minimum (forgot to mention Majestic McDonalds in Porto).
If interested in Santiago de Compostela journey north(train) and fly to Barcelona from here
Fly to Barcelona-7 nights good with day trips as above( have the chocolate with churros here even if it’s hot out).
???Seville??? Lots to see here
Madrid maybe add extra night with day trip to Toledo.

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Wow, so many great insights and ideas! My friend in Portugal can only meet during the weekend (work obligations during the weekdays) and lives between Porto and Lisbon so she recommended meeting in Nazare. Also, chose San Sebastian for this trip and not southern Span--we'll save that for another trip! Below is what I'm thinking as the framework for our travel.

1 night Madrid (arrive 9am)
2 nights Porto: Flight MAD to OPO

2 nights Nazare: Train or drive here? My friend lives near this town and suggested us to stay there.
3 nights Lisbon: Maybe Sintra on way from Nazare to Lisbon if we rent a car
6 nights Barcelona: Flight LIS to BCN
6 nights San Sebastian: Train Barcelona to SS--probably to easiest, right? Rent car last 7-days of trip
1 night Logrono: Renting a car for 1-week allows day trips from SS, can then drive to Madrid. Why not stop in wine country?
2 nights Madrid (or 1 night in Toledo + 1 night Madrid, or 2 nights Toledo) Drive to airport flight departs at 11:30am

I know that transportation to/from each major city to the next will be roughly $250-$300 on average and have factored that into my trip expenses. Thoughts on the bones of the itinerary?

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"Porto to Nazare: Train or drive here?"
Drive.
I love trains. I think Comboios Portugal is a good train system.
But, you are 5.
And, it is not a direct train journey nor can you buy all the tickets online.

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I recommend a stop in the charming hill town of Laguardia if you're going to be as close as Logrono.

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Rent a car from Porto to Nazare to Sintra to Lisbon.

Logrono is a good overnight choice. Great tapas bars.
Nice itinerary.