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Monuments men

Just got done listening to the monuments men podcast, and found the entire episode ridiculous. The allies were responsible for pillaging and carpet-bombing their way across Europe and did as much damage to our "patrimony" as anyone else did in that war. Second, the comment about how "we will never again go to war without monuments men" and how this movie will influence all countries to safeguard their historic treasures is laughable. Do we really believe that the combatants in Syria are suddenly going to pull back and say, oh my golly goodness, it was a really bad idea to level old town Aleppo and drive tanks all over Palmyra and 20 other irreplaceable sites, lets have a cease fire and earnestly discuss how we can prevent more damage? Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Afghanistan - the first thing to be looted or destroyed? The "patrimony."

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Matthew, I don't know what's on the podcast, is it about the movie? I haven't seen it yet, but it's a MOVIE, a dramatized version made to entertain, not present facts. I just finished reading the book, which I normally do before seeing a movie, and believe me the author is very clear and detailed about the actions of the allies and the destruction they were responsible for, no cover-up or whitewash. He also covers the fact that since WWII none of our wars have had 'monuments men (or women)', so that quote turned out not to be true.

I'm looking forward to seeing the movie just for the entertainment of it.

I highly recommend reading the book for anyone interested in the subject.

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I went to see the Monuments Men and it was good, but, you should watch the documentary "the Rape of Europa" it is about the stealing of all the art! So good and it is on Netflix if you are interested!

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The other aspect is that we try:

During the Tet mess in 1968 we lost more Americans in a couple of weeks at Hue than we did in any year in either of the two recent wars. We were restricted to light infantry weapons in order to not destroy the city because of its cultural and historical significance. Finally the leash was taken off one morning --- and after of few hours of close air, artillery, and naval gunfire it was over. By lunchtime you could just about sit on any piece of rubble and eat a sandwich. And the guys we were trying to work around - - they murdered something like five thousand of their countrymen.

It's gotten better. Instead of muti-thousands of tons of ordnance that level whole cities, we can slip a single munition up a gnat's butt.

I've read a lot of military history and can't recall any documented cases of what I'd call pillaging and looting by America or it's allies.

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Matthew, I'd suggest reading the book Rape of Europa to really understand the extent of systematic, carefully orchestrated plunder by the Nazis, as well as their intentional and planned destruction of much beauty.

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I second "The Rape of Europa" documentary!! So good :)