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Questions re Lisbon, Coimbra, Porto, Douro Valley

Hello! We are visiting Portugal this month, and I have a few misc. questions:

Train Reservations
For train travel between Lisbon, Coimbra, Porto, Douro Valley (Pinhao), how soon do we need to make reservations (if any).
Specifically for travel between Porto and Pinhao, should we be concerned about trains filling up given it is crush season? We are going on a Monday.

Lisbon Trolleys
What is a good strategy to avoid the overly packed number 28? Go early and/or late? Opt for a different trolley line? Skip?

Restaurants
I'd love any recommendations, especially for nicer culinary experiences.

Other
Aside from what is covered Rick Steves' guidebook, is there anything else we should consider doing or seeing? Is there anything else we should know about?

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If you make your train reservations a week or two ahead, that is fine. I’ve been on the train from Porto to Pinhao a couple of times - once in September - and it wasn’t very crowded.

If you go to the beginning of tram 28 in the Campo do Ourique neighborhood, you can get on pretty easily and actually get a seat. Going early is also a good idea.

Depending on how much you want to spend, there are a few Michelin starred restaurants in Lisbon. Any of which would be wonderful. The website Lisbon Lux has a lot of recommendations for best bars, restaurants, cafes, etc. And, just googling best restaurants Lisbon will give you more nice places than you can possibly visit in your time here.

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@kathrynj Thank you so much! This is exactly what I was hoping to learn :-)

Do you think it would be too risky to wait and buy train tickets at the station a little before our desired departure time?

For some routes, we would ideally like the flexibility of not having a prescheduled departure time.

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Last October, I bought my outbound train ticket from Porto to Pinhao the night before. I bought my return ticket while I was in Pinhao, after I had decided which train I wanted to take. Both the outbound and return trains had a lot of empty seats.

My travel was on October 18th, so quite a bit later than yours, and likely less crowded.

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I bought my tickets between Lisbon-Coimbra and Coimbra-Porto 6 weeks to 2 months in advance, which was far earlier than I needed to for October travel. During the booking process, I could see which seats had been reserved. So you could watch trains on the dates you are considering travel and decide when you want to book based on availability.

Obviously, the more flexible you are in your plans, the more risk you can take with a waiting strategy.

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@CWsocial, that is so helpful. Great tip on watching the reserved seats to gauge how booked the train is. And buying the return tickets from Pinhao to Porto would be ideal. Worst case, I guess we can pay a driver $$$ and drink port on the return to Porto, haha.

BTW, your handle "CWsocial" look familiar. It's been a few months since we starting planning, but I believe it was your trip reports that were super helpful. Huge thanks.

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My pleasure, RobC. Your trip is coming right up; I hope you have a wonderful time!

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A good strategy for avoiding the overly packed Tram 28 in Lisbon is to ride Tram 12 instead. It also begins at Martin Moniz. When I was there in May 2023, there was a tram employee assisting at the Martin Moniz stop. I went to the front of the long line and told the employee I wanted to ride Tram 12 instead of 28. He told me the long line was for Tram 28 and that I could wait at the front of the group for the next Tram 12. That's what I did. Tram 12 's normal route is a loop from Martin Moniz up to the Alfama then back to Martin Moniz. As of May, due to construction on some of the tram lines, it wasn't a loop, but I figured that out and was fine. Bottom line: I got a fun tram ride without the long lines and packed tram cars of Tram 28.

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Elizabeth, thank you! I’m off to look up info about tram 12 :-)

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Rob, we went in June and I bought my train tickets Porto to Pinhão weeks in advance. But that's just because I like to get my research done and tickets in hand well before my travel. There were plenty of empty seats in both directions, so I'm sure that you'll have no trouble buying tickets the night before your trip.

We also took the train Lisbon to Coimbra and bought our tickets the night before.

Just make sure that you are aware of what station your train(s) leave from and arrive at. I think there are five stations in Lisbon and three in Porto and two in Coimbra. And if you do buy in advance, buy only from the official train website www.cp.pt.

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naalehuretiree, thank you! That’s gives me some peace of mind. I did end up booking Porto <> Pinhao tickets yesterday, but may wait and book the others the night before.

We will have a couple of hours (after a port tasting and lunch session) before the departure back to Porto. Are there any sites or activities you suggest in Pinhao?

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Putting this here in case this thread pops up when searching for *trains in Portugal *

I, like many others, had no luck bookings train tickets online (offical site is www.cp.pt). However, I was able to book via the iOS app on my iPhone. I posted some tips here:

https://community.ricksteves.com/travel-forum/portugal/tax-id-number-to-purchase-train-tickets

A little humor: while setting up an account on CP’s website, I encountered fields for “number of sons” and “lyrics”. Haha

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Rob, I guess I'm lucky because I had no problems at all with the Comboios website. Your experience was funny!

I'm sure there's lots to do in Pinhão, but I don't have any suggestions because we didn't have extra time.

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We just returned yesterday from trip to Portugal and Spain. In Portugal we stayed in Porto, Coimbra, and Lisbon.

Trains. We rode the hi-speed train from Porto to Coimbra, and then from Coimbra to Lisbon. I purchased the tickets directly from the operator from their website with no problem, as soon as they became available two months before our travel dates. I believe dynamic pricing is used, and purchasing our non-refundable but changeable tickets that early provided a price of about 15€ each for each leg, first class. (Purchasing that early meant the pricing was only slightly higher for first class.)

Tram 28. Other than taking a tram back from Belem to Lisbon (which in our case was actually a bus numbered as a tram), we did not ride a tram in either Porto or Lisbon as we found both cities surprisingly walkable (even for us older folks). (Though we did ride a funicular in both Porto and Lisbon.) Also, in Porto many of the trams were not running due to construction on the tracks. In fact, the road in front of the main train station, Sao Bento, was largely blocked off due to the work.

Restaurants.
In Porto we had an enjoyable and delicious set meal at Emotivo, which we learned of from the Taste Porto website. Relaxed but finer dining.
In Lisbon we dined at two oft-touted relatively finer dining restaurants. We found A Cervicheria as ok, and were disappointed by Palácio Chiado. (Your experience could be different; Tripadvisor reviews rate both highly.)

NOTE: The credit card machines of many restaurants in Portugal asked us if we wanted to pay in Euros or US Dollars, but with a twist: (other than a single restaurant in Spain) only in Portugal did such restaurants present us not one, but TWO questions (sort of like the ATMs). Question one was the typical Euros or Dollars question. Question two then repeated the ask, but in a different form. To avoid paying in Dollars (and being charged a disadvantageous exchange rate), one needs to provide the correct response to both questions.

Other Observations.

  • In Belem I was going to skip Jerónimos Monastery due to the stories of long lines, but in the end we decided to go. It was well worth it. We bought our tickets a night earlier for opening time. At that time we only needed to wait in line about 30 minutes, and the temperature was comfortable. By noon the line was three times longer and the sun was hot.
  • In Sintra we followed the advice of a tour guide (especially after reading of the crowds, local bus issues, and reviews of the interior) and did not go to Pena Palace, nor to the Moorish Castle. Instead we went (without a tour guide) to the newly-opened Beister Palace (really a mansion) and to the National Palace of Sintra. We enjoyed both, and both are walkable from the train station.
  • Though we enjoyed the fado show at Fado au Centro in Coimbra, we were disappointed by the (low-energy) Fado Museum in Lisbon.
  • Cruise ships in Lisbon (and Porto). We strived to avoid the Lisbon cruise ship crowds by planning our day trips to Sintra and Belem for days when cruise ships were visiting Lisbon. Two useful sites are https://www.cruisemapper.com/ports/lisbon-port-65?tab=schedule&month=2023-09#schedule and https://www.cruisetimetables.com/lisbonportugalschedule-30aug2023.html. (BTW, at the last minute we changed our schedule around a bit and did visit the Alfama neighborhood (in Lisbon) when a cruise ship was docked there. It was indeed crowded, though not unbearably.)
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GeoffB, what a treasure of information. Huge thanks!!!

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Tram 28: Buy a Viva Viagem card ahead of time since the rate will be cheaper than paying on-board. For the "zapping" version, you can preload some euros and just tap and go. Can always add to the card later. The card itself is .50 euro.

We took Tram 28 first thing in the morning starting at Martim Moniz since I wanted a seat. We rode it to the final stop which is in front of a cemetery. We wandered around the cemetery for an hour or so (fancy place with great views), and then took the tram back. We were in Lisbon for a week, so not in a hurry to get anywhere. Enjoyed the ride. It was fun sitting back and looking out as the tram weaved up and down the streets. We weren't looking at the tram as a form of transportation (used the metro or walking for that), but we did note a few places that looked interesting while we were riding it and returned later to those spots. Travel date April 2022.