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If I wanted to add Madeira or The Azores, what should I give up on the mainland?

My wife and I are planning a trip to Portugal in October. Well, I am doing the planning, haha.

I have become very intrigued with Madeira and hearing that The Azores are amazing as well.

We have 16 days or so. My wife does not want a three week trip. Currently we plan to hit the following areas:

Lisbon/Sintra - Four Days
The Algarve - Three Days
Porto And Douro Valley - Three Days

That leaves 6 days for all of the popular and important destinations between Lisbon and Porto: Evora, Obidos, Nazare, Tomar, Coimbra and possibly one of the islands.

Is there any way I can squeeze a few days in for one of the islands without shortchanging the mainland? Or should I just forget that idea and concentrate on those mainland towns that I have listed?

Another question would be if it would even be worth 2 or 3 days on an island, leaving 3 days for the mainland towns? Or would I be shortchanging both if we did that?

I do also want to add that we are in our 60's. Fairly active for seniors but we aren't kids any more.

One last aspect is that this might be our only trip to Portugal ever, due to our age, so what would we regret not doing the most if we never returned?

I hope that these are not too many questions and I appreciate all input.

Thanks!

I am portuguese and love to travel and plan all my trips. So i really understand your 'pains'.
I could help you plan your trip with all pleasure. You already have an idea of a plan, but there are too many places you are traying to add.
Are you planning to rent a car?
What are you looking to in Algarve?

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The inevitable concern of visiting Madeira or one (or more) of the nine Azores islands for a short period is the unpredictable weather. The odds of high winds and torrential rain in October vs any summer month is greater. Flights to any of the islands are quite often delayed or cancelled. Madeira can have gusty winds just about any day of the year, but certainly less rain. Unless the Azores was your only destination, or Madeira for an entire week, then I would concentrate on the mainland for 16 days. Why add a wrench into your plans and possibly be stuck at an airport(s) or an island for an entire day or more?

I would skip the Algarve in October, and add those 3 days to Lisbon and surrounding area. Just visiting the sights in Belem can take an entire day! Sintra is worth 2 days, if visiting all the sites there and not feel rushed. If not interested in Fatima, definitely visit Gruta da Moeda, just 5 minutes away by car from the famous sanctuary.

Your task is to research what YOU want to see and where YOU want to visit. My personal list of thousands of worthy locations in the Azores to visit might be much less than what you deem interesting. The same goes for the mainland. Having visited Lisbon 7 times, I still have places I want to visit there. In the north, I have yet to visit Braga, Guimaraes, and other great towns. The town of Tomar, with the Convento de Cristo, is fascinating, and worthy of an overnight stay! Some places are not in any guidebook, as far as I know!

If you ever can visit the Azores for an extended period, please know that with rental cars, the exploring is easy and thorough. Don't let age be a factor. I see lots of European travelers there on every visit, who are well into their 80s, who visit just for the hiking opportunities. You will also notice, and I can attest with my own family members, that being on these islands is physically and mentally medicinal, and truly improves your health.

If you are able to negotiate with your significant other a 3-week trip, then that would be optimal. There is never enough time to see everything in Portugal, but the highlights on the mainland can probably be done with your current plan.

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Thank you, Carl and Patricia.

I totally agree. Three weeks is off the table, haha. I have negotiated 17 Days, which should be plenty of time to see the Portugal highlights. As for the age issue, the only real concern is that we are only now starting our world travels and there are a LOT of places that we want to visit, so it may be a long time before we are able to take a second bite of any particular location.

I appreciate the info about Madeira and the wind. My wife HATES wind, haha, so that would not have been good.

Again, I appreciate your suggestions. We will be visiting The Algarve as we love the beaches and the rocky shores. Not so much of the night life and those kinds of things, so looking for a quiet spot on the beach for a few days.

Thank you!

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Short version: I'd say skip the Azores/Madeira on this trip, as they deserve MUCH more time than you can give them, and stick to mainland Portugal. You won't run out of good stuff on the mainland with the amount of time you have. Plan another, dedicated trip to these islands when you can give them more time.

Justification: I've been to Portugal 4 times over the past 30 years, and have only scratched the surface, going to the typical places on the mainland where most tourists go. I recall on my first trip there thinking the country appeared surprisingly under-appreciated by international visitors and tourists numbers seemed surprisingly low to me (that clearly has changed in recent years). I know there's a lot more to mainland Portugal that I have not yet seen and I look forward to going back.

We spent 3 weeks in the Azores in September on 2021. It was awesome. With 3 weeks, we had a full week on Sao Miguel (the big island); with a week, we didn't get to everything on our list, we would needed at least 10 days there. I think virtually all first-time visitors to the Azores greatly underestimate the time needed to appreciate Sao Miguel. I recall one day having breakfast at our hotel in Ponta Delgada, over-hearing a conversation from the couple at the next table. They were lamenting that they had only planned 3 days in the islands and were wishing they had a week to spend. I see folks planning trips to Portugal with a one-day, maybe two-day, side trip to Sao Miguel. To me that's like flying to the Hawaiian Islands for a day or two. Sure, it's better than never having been there, but having to leave after just a couple days is going to leave anyone pretty disappointed.

And the vast majority of tourists visiting the Azores only go to Sao Miguel. There are 8 other islands, each is unique and has plenty of worthwhile things to see and do. On our 3-week trip, we managed to squeeze in 6 of them, and I was glad to have been able to see at least the highlights of each of them...but even before we left, we were plotting a return trip. We plan to go back to see the others, and re-visit a few of the islands where we needed more time. Getting from island to island has some logistical challenges which work against anyone who is in a hurry (Carl mentions some weather-related ones, there are others).

I have not been to Madeira yet. We are looking forward to that on a future trip. Madeira looks spectacular, too, but it seems a bit better-suited to a short visit: it's slightly smaller than Sao Miguel, but isn't in a group of many other islands (Madeira does have a small, second island, but it's pretty small).

Of course it's your trip and only you can decide how to prioritize your time based on your interests and travel style - all travel planning involves trade-offs. But that said, I think mainland Portugal has plenty of great things to see and do to keep you busy for your 16-ish days. I would stick to the mainland on this trip, and start thinking about when you can manage a dedicated trip to Madeira/Azores next time.

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Thanks, I appreciate that. I want to do it all, but all of you have made great points.

I think I have a plan now that will work for us.

Thanks again!