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2 DTO in address in Lisbon?

I was given an address via AirBNB to stay, which contains a street name and what it seems a house number and then right next to it 2 DTO, which looks like this:

Rua Person's Street Name Here 8 2 DTO

Searching for the right place among similar apartment buildings late in the evening could leave me sleeping in the street. I was confused whether the house number is 82 or 8, plus Apt. 2. Owners giving such directions to foreigners is probably insufficient. I could not find anywhere on the internet what DTO means in Portugal.

When I asked the owner, they added Lote number to it, example: Lote 50, which was not in their AirBNB page instructions (directions) to begin with. So now I have 8 (Lote 50) 2 DTO in Lisbon. They wrote that "2" means 2nd floor (how informative) and DTO means "right side". Without knowing it on AirBNB would send at least some foreigners sleepless. Or at least wandering into neighbours asking what it is while already close to midnight hour.

Also, I wonder whether Portuguese SECOND FLOOR (2 DTO) is located right above the ground floor, which sometimes is called as FIRST FLOOR (in the USA) or is it like in the UK actually a Third Floor? Not wanting to wake up neighbours at night looking for the right door to enter.

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Ground floor - 1st floor - 2nd floor, etc.

2nd floor is 2 up from the ground. On the right hand side.

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I wonder whether Portuguese SECOND FLOOR (2 DTO) is located right above the ground floor, which sometimes is called as FIRST FLOOR (in the USA) or is it like in the UK actually a Third Floor?

Floor counting is the same throughout Europe, the second floor is the same throughout Europe, it is only the US which is different.
Ground Floor is zero (0), above it 1st, 2nd etc., below ground -1, -2 etc.
so you often see on lift (elevator) buttons: -2 -1 0 1 2 3 4 (click for example photo).

Address formats are different in different countries. People know the format they were taught at school, but do not necessarily know what the format is in other countries tourists come from.
I have just been answering another question where Expedia totally mangled an address, missing off the town name and causing the poster to think the hotel was in a different town.

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Just a slight clarification Chris F...it isn't just the US who call Ground Floor '1st'. Expand it to North America and it might be a correct statement ;-)

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"Floor counting is the same throughout Europe, the second floor is the same throughout Europe, it is only the US which is different."

I don't know exactly how it is in Germany or Poland, but in Lithuania and probably in Estonia as well there is no ground floor. The ground floor over there is a 1st floor from ground up. Same as in the USA. Same floor counting system is probably present in Russia as well, etc. So, not throughout entire Europe that floors are counted from above ground floor.

Also, some "commie block" buildings have a basement or storage style ground floor, without residential flats on it. Sometimes shops or stores are located on the ground (first) floor. That's why some countries count floors from above the ground floor, but in others, in Europe, the ground floor is actually the first floor. I would bet in Poland as well as in the Czech, probably Italy and France as well.

So a 5 story (five floor) building, which includes flats even on the first/ground floor is called a five-storey building and not a 4 storey building.

Would like someone, a Portuguese, to confirm what exactly floor counting system is in Portugal. I would guess Portugal is influenced by England and even France and not by Spain. Wonder what floor counting system is in Spain?

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"Just a slight clarification Chris F...it isn't just the US who call Ground Floor '1st'. Expand it to North America and it might be a correct statement ;-)"

How about Asia, Africa, South America, Australia? Canada is not on an English system? Perhaps Ireland different from England? Albania (being isolated for some decades)? Turkey (being mostly not in Europe)? Bulgaria? Finland (being a remote country bordering Russia)? Even in Europe there are two ways to count floors as I wrote above.