Greetings!
Our Viking cruise stops in Flam on 8/20. We are doing a boat trip for part of the day, but I would love your thoughts on doing just the Flam to Myrdal and back train trip on our own. I was thinking we would do that in the early morning, and choose our boat trip through the fjords for the afternoon. (Would this be the best option since we'll be amongst the masses?)
I've checked the ship arrival list in Flam, and ours is not listed, so I'm not sure it's entirely accurate.
TIA for any suggestions!
As mentioned: The arrival list of Flåm port does not show a call entry. Which journey did you book?
Approaching Viking ships seem to have max. PAX of 930, so the "masses" will not be too big compared to other ships listed.
The train trip starting from Flåm is a very easy thing as long as you have reservations. The village is very small, so no issue to find everything.
The light conditions for the fjord cruise are good if tours start in early afternoon.
Normally Stegastein (panorama photo) is a good idea before noon because then the sunlight comes from behind or the side.
While the Flåm to Myrdal train trip was enjoyable, the trip to Stegastein Viewpoint was spectacular. We booked through Fjord Tours.
Having looked at other sources Viking don't seem to have scheduled port times at any of the ports on that cruise yet. However I think you need to ask Viking for more information as the itinerary is all over the place-
18 Aug Departing from Bergen
20 Aug Flam, Norway
21 Aug Alesund, Norway
22 Aug Geiranger, Norway
etc
I don't know how it can take 36 hours to get from Bergen to Flam or something like twelve hours from Alesund to Geiranger.
My assumption/hope is that you dock in the early evening of 19 August at Flam after a very slow passage from Bergen and that you have a very late night departure from Alesund.
Even taking from early evening on 22 August to the morning of 24 August to reach Torshavn is slow going- at a fairly slow 15 knots that should only be a 30 hour ish passage which would give a mid evening arrival on 23 August.
There isn't a perfect time to do the railway- you either do it in the morning with your shipmates or in the afternoon with the hordes of Bergen to Oslo Norway in a Nutshell people. Either way you can only book it in late May, twelve weeks before travel.
If you do dock the previous evening the ideal would either be the last train (at 6,45 pm) on 19 August or the 0720 or 0820 the next morning. The 0935 will be the cruise train.
The 0720 is an express train with just 3 of the 7 possible intermediate stops.
We will be on Iceland's Majestic Landscapes cruise from Bergen to Reykjavik. Our itinerary shows:
TUE AUG 19 Depart Bergen 06:00 PM
WED AUG 20 Arrive Flam 08:00 AM, Depart 06:00 PM
THU AUG 21 Arrive Alesund 08:00 AM, Depart 11:00 PM
FRI AUG 22 Arrive Geiranger 08:00 AM, Depart 06:00 PM
We had to cancel our Norway trip, including the Nutshell trip, in spring of 2020, so the Flam Railway is still on my bucket list. It sounds like the early round trip train ride would be the best option, and then do the catamaran boat ride in the afternoon.
The Stegastein Viewpoint and the Loen Skylift also sound like fun options.
I wish we had more than a day, but we'll make the most of it. I so appreciate all of your sage advice, as planning can be a bit overwhelming. :-)
Thanks for re-check on your side.
MV Viking Jupiter is listed to be in Geiranger on Aug 22.
Maybe they did not request Flåm so far or list of port is not actual.
or list of port is not actual.
We know that the port list is not actual. There is no doubt about that. Just for a starter the list says that every port call at Flam is an anker [anchor] call. That is just moonshine. The vast majority of ships berth alongside. Only on a very busy day do ships anchor off.
There are other instances where known port calls at Flam are not listed, months out.
Other cruise listings on line actually show her call at Bergen as being on 18 August. However having re-checked the Port Authority list [so primary source] she is actually booked to arrive at the Skolten Syd 3 terminal (one of 5 cruise terminals in Bergen) at 0700 on 17 August, and to depart at 1700 on 19 August. That is still a slow passage to arrive at Flam at 0800 next day. If I was on that cruise I would be up and awake very early, expecting/hoping to berth a good two hours or so sooner.
I would have my day pack ready to go as soon as the gangway was ready for disembarkation, grabbing early bird continental breakfast on the way.
At Amsterdam I do the same and am normally up at 4am, as we normally enter the canal lock at Ijmuiden at least 90 minutes sooner than the ship's official schedule says.
This berth (otherwise called Skoltegrunnskaien) is the old ferry terminal in the centre of town at the end of the Bryggen. Most ferries originally berthed at Skolten Nord (the north face of the same pier).
Yes, we embark on Aug 18 and depart for Flam at 6:00.
The times I have are on our current itinerary, but what you're looking at is obviously more accurate. I would love to be able to count on an earlier arrival in Flam to catch at least the 8:20 train. But can I really count on that?
"We know that the port list is not actual. There is no doubt about that. Just for a starter the list says that every port call at Flam is an anker [anchor] call. That is just moonshine. The vast majority of ships berth alongside. Only on a very busy day do ships anchor off."
Does this mean there may be a number of ships not listed? This is very confusing to me.
Does each port have a list of ships scheduled for each day? Maybe I should keep an eye on those.
We are seasoned land travelers, but this is our first cruise rodeo, so I'm a complete novice!
THANK YOU!!!
The times I have are on our current itinerary, but what you're looking at is obviously more accurate. I would love to be able to count on an earlier arrival in Flam to catch at least the 8:20 train. But can I really count on that?
I would like to think you could count on it bu I wouldn't want to book it just in case. But the station is about a two minute walk from the cruise quay. And the 0820 should be a quiet train, so you can just buy tickets when you arrive. Inside Flam booking hall there is a screen showing you live data of how many (if any) seats are available on each train that day. (or there was just before Covid).
Does this mean there may be a number of ships not listed? This is very confusing to me.
In short yes. The Flam list is a relatively static list compiled on a certain day, and not regularly amended for alterations of extra or cancelled cruises- but see next question.
Does each port have a list of ships scheduled for each day? Maybe I should keep an eye on those.
Flam is almost entirely cruise and ferry traffic so doesn't seem to have live arrivals and departures. Bergen on the other hand is a busy freight port- so they have a live system- https://www.bergenhavn.no/en/arrivals
When I go on a cruise I try to find our what ports have a similar system to that of Bergen and go to that primary source for my info, as opposed to what the cruise line want to tell me. Then when on board if I can I try to follow the AIS signal of the ship I am on for the most current data. AIS is a satellite tracking system for each ship at sea.
Now I will admit to being OTT, but that is just how I work. You can access AIS by websites such as vessel finder- https://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels/details/9796262
However having re-checked the Port Authority list [so primary source] she is actually booked to arrive at the Skolten Syd 3 terminal (one of 5 cruise terminals in Bergen) at 0700 on 17 August, and to depart at 1700 on 19 August.
What accounts for the 5 hr time difference listed on the arrivals in Bergen? (It show arr at 2:00 on 17 August and dep at 12:00 on 18 August.) I just want to make sure I read things correctly.
Well it didn't at all look like the kind of website which was sensitive to time zones. But it must be, as it is showing the times I stated to me in the UK. So you must be in the US mid west as I've just checked and Chicago is currently 5 hours behind the UK (6 hours from the early hours of tomorrow when Daylight Saving starts in the UK).
So that puts the ship back on a 6pm departure Norwegian time, as Norway is one hour ahead of the UK. Norway also goes to Daylight Saving tomorrow.