Train/Bus ticketing options. With OvPay, ChipKaart and other choices which might be best for us?

The great thing about traveling in the Netherlands is that you do not need to worry about tickets. You can just tap in and out with your credit card.

You can read about the details of public transportation in my trip report:

https://community.ricksteves.com/travel-forum/trip-reports/solo-in-the-netherlands-and-belgium-my-trip-report

Carrie,
While I appreciate your excellent trip report, I'm still looking for answers. I don't see anything on the rail site that talks about local trams/buses that I'll need to get from the station to hour hotels and to get round towns. (Remember our ages and what we're carrying).

It also seems that neither 1st nor 2nd class, when using a credit card and the app, give off-hour discounts and the site still mentions Chipkaart and OVPay, which i'm not sure we need.

I'm still looking for a little more help.

Thanks.

John

There are a couple Dutch regulars on here that can answer better than I, but here goes...

The Chipkaart is a loadable pay card, not sure it offers any advantage over tap to pay, maybe more hassle in that you have to load it, manage the balance, and then maybe get a refund of unused amount, maybe not.

OVPay is more the nationwide system. If you use your credit card to tap in and out, you are using OVPay. The system works for all public transport, trains, buses, trams, and metro. You can download the OVPay app, but really, about all that will tell you is your history of use and the cost, and it does allow you to correct a transaction, it is not needed to use tap-to-pay.

There really is no need to use First class, all your trips are short, the tap system is second class passage, gives you the appropriate rate for the time and distance. It is not valid though on Eurostar, or private buses (like the dedicated bus to Keukenhof as part of the Combi-ticket)

So not really confusing, just each have a credit card, or phone wallet, and tap in, tap out, and don't worry about it.

Not sure where your hotel is but trams in Amsterdam may get you close, but if dragging your bags is an issue, a taxi might be the option there.

“ I don't see anything on the rail site that talks about local trams/buses that I'll need to get from the station to hour hotels and to get round towns.”

What rail site?

“It also seems that neither 1st nor 2nd class, when using a credit card and the app, give off-hour discounts and the site still mentions Chipkaart and OVPay, which i'm not sure we need.”

Again, what site are you on? OV Pay is a fairly new thing, so any site mentioning it is actually quite up to date and not still mentioning it.

In general OV Pay may be the easiest. No matter if you use busses, trains or trams, you simply tap your card at the reader when you enter the train station or when you board the bus or tram. You tap again when you exit the train station or disembark from the bus or tram and the fare is calculated.
There is no automatic off-hour discount for the trains. There is only a time-price deal available on certain less busy routes. Trains from from and to Schiphol Airport never have these time-price deals. The price-time deals need to be bought in advance and are only available via the website of the national railway company www.ns.nl/en

I don't see anything on the rail site that talks about local
trams/buses that I'll need to get from the station to hour hotels and
to get round towns. (Remember our ages and what we're carrying).

You can just tap in and out with your credit card for the trams and buses, in addition to the trains. There is no need to purchase any tickets. It really is that simple.

Perhaps the use of OV Pay is what is causing confusion. That is just the way to pay using your credit card. So, instead of saying “tap in and out with a credit card” they are saying “use OVpay” which is just using your credit card. No app or tickets needed.

https://www.ovpay.nl/en/how-it-works

Dutch_traveler, I was referring to Carrie's post she references to her trip report which listed https://www.ns.nl/en/travel-information/ns-app site.

That is the railroad's site.

I think for traveling with our bags, we'll probably use first class and use second class for the other routes. We are pretty old and it would make it easier for her.

So, if I can tap on and off trams, trains and buses with my credit card, would there be any advantage to OVpay?

35 years ago when we first started making trips to Europe, it was so much simpler but now in the twilight, it seems so difficult.

I guess there's no need to pre-register our cards and if we need to use a different one, we are okay as long as we use the same one for on/off on any trip.

Can the credit card be used for first class tap in or will we have to purchase a ticket at the kiosk?

I'll just have to remember to bring my "We didn't vote for the lunatic and his clowns" shirt.

Thanks again to everyone for the suggestions.

“ So, if I can tap on and off trams, trains and buses with my credit card, would there be any advantage to OVpay?”

May I suggest you to reread the previous answers again. The system that allows you to use your debit/credit card nationwide on trams, trains and buses is called OV Pay. So when you use your credit card to tap in and out, you use OV Pay.

“ Can the credit card be used for first class tap in or will we have to purchase a ticket at the kiosk?”

On trains, OV Pay is programmed to charge you the 2nd class fare. If you want to travel 1st class on trains, you’ll need to buy train tickets online or at the train station. But even with luggage, there really is no need for traveling first class.

If you are planning to use one (non-AMEX) credit card between the two of you, one can use the physical credit card and the other Apple or Google Pay on a device to tap in and out.

Of course, you can still procure tickets at the train and metro stations or on buses and trams (no cash) or get (for example GVB) day tickets for Amsterdam (instead of procuring tickets for each individual metro, tram or bus trips) when there).

Regarding first class, there really is no advantage with luggage. There are no porters or luggage people, you still have to get to the same platform as the rest of the people, go through the same train doors, there are just different seats, and really no more storage.

We can afford first class on train. Should we choose that?

These train rides will be very short and I can't think of a reason to choose anything but the normal 2nd class tickets.

Regarding the how to plan the multiple steps from a starting point to a finishing point to identify mass transit options along the route, Google Maps is a great starting point and gets you 95+% of the answer you will need.

Go to Google Maps, choose your starting point (hotel/dock/restaurant/whatever), and then "directions", add the destination point and click the little train icon. That will show, for example, going from Centraal to a downtown Haarlem hotel will be a combination of a train (Intercity/Sprinter) and a bus (maybe the 2 or the 300), and then a walk of a tiny bit. And you'll also be able to drill down more plus get the estimated times, platforms, and even step-by-step directions once there.

And the tapping of a credit card (really a unique card/phone/watch) is super easy to do and likely the least complicated bit once you've done it once.

Please be patient with me.

Carrie had mentioned about using the credit card to check in and out and I had previously read about OVpay but now it seems they are one and the same thing - to use the tap-in credit card, I have to use OVpay. Is that correct? That's what confused me.

We both have phones and we'll each use a different credit card.

We are flying from Atlanta to Copenhagen then another flight to Amsterdam. Unlike when we were young, this will be a far more draining trip than when we were young. I'm a disabled veteran and we both have medical issues. I figured that after the long trip, first class would be less stressful if 2nd class was crowded. Even if everything goes well on our flights, we'll be tired, I'll be grumpy and she will be stressed out. We'll decide when we arrive at Schiphol which class to take but I want to be prepared.

Thanks once again and I do appreciate the advice. As a retired engineer, I do want to fully understand all alternatives in advance. After 52 years together, I know how just a small bit of confusion can make a wonderful trip become a disaster for her and trigger her medical problems.

We were just is Haarlem April 2024. You do not need to stay at the airport the night before your flight home.
There is a #300 bus that you meet in front of the Haarlem train station. It runs every ten minutes. It takes about 30 minutes to the airport. You also tap pay for this bus.
The train to the airport involves changing trains, so the #300 bus is the most convenient mode.
When is this trip? Sorry if I missed that.
I have attached my Trip Report.
Enjoy this wonderful country. Safe travels!

https://community.ricksteves.com/travel-forum/trip-reports/the-netherlands-belgium-april-2024-brought-the-rain-pants-needed-the-rain-pants

“ Carrie had mentioned about using the credit card to check in and out and I had previously read about OVpay but now it seems they are one and the same thing - to use the tap-in credit card, I have to use OVpay. Is that correct? That's what confused me.”

Just like in the USA or Canada, there are different public transport companies providing public transport in the Netherlands. There isn’t 1 single company that operates all the trains, busses, trams and subways in the entire country. The trains throughout the entire country are mainly operated by NS, trams and subways in Amsterdam are run by GVB, trams in Delft are run by HTM etc etc.
So when all these different companies and the Dutch banks came together to organize that people could simply use their debit or credit card to tap in and out in public transport, they wanted to have a name for this new payment method. They decided to call it OVPay. OV is the acronym of Openbaar Vervoer, which means Public Transport. And Pay is the English word pay. It may seem strange to use an English word for a Dutch thing, but the Dutch word would be longer and we use a lot of English words anyway. Besides that, in Dutch “OV” is pronounced as Oooh Vay so it nicely rhymes with Pay.

Having written all that, the important thing to remember is that you don’t need to do or activate anything to use OVPay. Just by tapping your credit card at a reader you already use OVPay. I hope this clears it up.

OVpay is a payment and integrated ticketing system. This system allows you to use your credit card to tap in and tap out (more information here: https://www.ovpay.nl/en/how-it-works). By tapping in and out, you are using OVpay.; it is the system behind it that makes this work.

For your trip from Amsterdam to Haarlem, (and maybe from Schiphol to Amsterdam), you can check in the NS app what two first class ticket will cost in advance and compare this to the costs of an Uber. The price difference could be such that using an Uber may be an alternative to consider on these relatively short stretches..