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Wish I was back, just returned from 20 day trip

Just got back and thought I would share our itinerary which would be rushed for most but worked out well for us.
Was myself, wife and our 3 year old daughter.

Day 1
Flew into Pisa
Had a driver pick us up at the airport and stop at the Pisa Tower/Piazza in route to Florence.
Stayed 3 nights in Florence - arrived late first evening.

Day 2
Toured Florence by foot

Day 3
Toured Florence by foot

Day 4
Rented car, checked out of Florence.
Spend all day in Siena and after dark checked into Pienza

Day 5
Toured Pienza and surrounding Tuscan countryside by car.
Originally had 3 nights in Pienza and 2 nights in Florence, but was a last minute flip by me.
Meant we had to skip Montepulciano, Montalcino, it worked out fine and I made sure we explored every inch of Pienza.

Day 6
Spend half the day driving local countryside before late checkout.
Drove to Cinque Terre and checked into Manarola.

Day 7
Toured towns in CT by foot and train (ferries were closed due to rough seas)

Day 8
Toured towns in CT by foot and train (ferries were closed due to rough seas)

Day 9
Woke up early and checked out, drove from Manarola to Ortisei in the Dolomites.
In route we stopped in Verona and spend most of the day there.
Arriving in Ortisei after dark.

Day 10
Visited the different lift areas and town of Ortisei by foot

Day 11
Spent half the day with more lifts and other half driving the mountain passes.

Day 12
Early morning lifts for some last views before checking out.
Drove from Ortisei to Lake Bled in Slovenia, in route we stopped briefly in Lienz, Austria

Day 13
Explored Lake Bled by foot, went to the Castle, rowed a boat, took a planta to the island church, etc...

Day 14
Drove from Lake Bled to Venice, Italy
Returned car at Piazzale Roma, took water taxi from their to hotel

Day 15
Explored Venice by foot, took a gondola ride.
Was up and out for both sunrises while in Venice so quite long days.

Day 17
Checked out of hotel, took water taxi to airport.
Flight to Paris. Taxi to Apartment near Saint Chappelle.
Visited Saint Chappelle and Concergiere. Took Siene River Cruise.

Day 18
Toured Paris by bus and boat (combo ticked of the Batobus boat and L'Open Tour bus)
Notre Dame for mass in the morning, climbed Bell tower steps there after mass.
Eiffel Tower tickets booked this afternoon

Day 19
Toured Paris by bus and boat (combo ticked of the Batobus boat and L'Open TOur bus)
Lourve in the morning.
Champs Elysees / Arc De Triomphe in the afternoon.

Day 20
Disney Day. Took train from Paris to Disney and back. Left around 9 AM and got back around 11 PM.

Day 21:
Checked out and Flew home.

Although we moved around quite a bit it didn't feel rushed. Although it was the only place we had 4 nights, paris definitely felt the most rushed and the place we wanted more time. We did not see everything there we wanted.
If we did not do the all day Disney excursion it would have worked better for seeing Paris.
Glad we did though my daughter loved it and will be all she likely talks about from the whole trip. Had lunch with the princesses while there which was a real treat for her.

Loved Florence, Tuscany, Cinque Terre, loved Ortisei and the lifts are amazing there. Did not care for the Mountain Pass drives at all. Lake Bled a little mixed about, liked it but did not love it probably should have stayed in Italy but desired to do something unique.
Not sure if made the right call with 2 nights Pienza and 3 Florence in retrospect maybe should have switched them as originally planned.
2 nights in Venice felt like enough, the crowds there bothered me, only time I liked Venice was the early morning hours and after dark. I did make sure to be out and about before Sunrise both mornings and walked a ton there and in Paris.
The trip may have been better in reverse since the most walking was Venice and Paris at the end which made us tired coming home.

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This was the summary:
3 Nights Florence (saw Pisa in route to Florence)
2 Nights Pienza (saw Siena in route to Pienza)
3 Nights Manarola (Cinque Terre)
3 Nights Ortisei in the Dolomites (saw Verona in route to Ortisei)
2 Nights Lake Bled (Slovenia)
2 Nights Venice
4 Nights Paris (France)

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Thanks for the update, it's always interesting to hear individual perspectives on the places that are asked about on this forum.

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Watch it! You're on your way to developing a serious addiction. We've been to Italy 16 times, and I wouldn't rule out any further visits. Seriously, though, You may have noticed that people voice often contradictory opinions about itineraries on this forum, We've often looked back at some portion of a trip and thought that we should have spent more (or less) time in a place. Some things are very personal reactions; and some, you just have to find out for yourself.

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Yes, this was our 3rd time in Italy and we will be back.
I knew our itinerary was rushed but also did much careful planning on the drives and making sure we had enough time on the ground to see what we wanted to.
It as you say is a very personal thing and takes some experience to know what works for you.

Both my wife and I when leaving Venice both felt we had given the perfect time for all places and did not feel rushed.
Paris was rushed so changes things a little overall but the Italy portions made sense for us.

I could definitely go back to Tuscany in a heart beat (see some more hill towns, maybe for a Spring visit when wildflowers are in bloom or early summer) and my wife is itching to see Rome again.
We visited many regions this time which was nice to give us an impression of what they area was like and if we would want to return.
For example, I don't think I would go back to Venice and although the Cinque Terre may have been my favorite stop I think now that we have been not sure I would return. The Dolomites I probably feel similar about and Lake Bled too so for us the Tuscany area ; Florence and other towns south are what stood out in terms of demanding a return trip someday.

Paris we want to return to as well but would be on a France trip where we see more of that country and devout a few more days to Paris.

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How did you like Ortosei? What did you do there? Do you have to drive or can you take trains? It looks like a Swiss village. We are currently (10/4/16) 2 weeks into a 3 week trip and looking for something to replace 3 days in Venice at the end of the trip.

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Loved Ortisei!
Have never seen anything quite like it. Similar look to the Swiss Alps but more green. Very lush greenery everywhere which for late Sept was shocking to see.
Another cool thing about the town is how they use a system of escalators in town to get you to the higher level of the town. Decent shopping in town but otherwise not too much to do in the town itself. The town itself is good for a half day of exploring I would say. Much of the downtown area you would walk is pedestrianized (no cars)

The really cool thing though is within the town itself there are 3 different cable car type lifts, each of the 3 is in a different part of town and each bring you to a different area. Seceda was my favorite as the cable car brings you to the tops of the mountain range in mere minutes you are somewhere that would take an experienced hiker hours to reach.
I took the 8:30 AM exactly when they opened lift each of the 3 mornings and think I bugged the operators since they had to run the lifts just for me at that time. On one morning I had the entire area completely to myself up top for an hour only sound I heard was hawks. If you like hiking you will love it but even if you don't hike at all you can get the same views.
The lift ride up you see a bunch of wildlife/live stock which is cool.
I took some amazing pictures at Seceda.

The other 2 lifts, one is a cable car to Alpe Di Suisi a huge scenic valley with flowers and just beautiful with mostly level walking paths.
The 3rd lift is a train type funicular which is more fun to ride than anything else. It goes to Rasciesa which is a another area, we didn't do much there other than have a snack at the café at the top.

Each of the 3 lifts have cafes at the top and a couple have small playgrounds for kids at the top as well.

Our hotel, Hotel Genziana was great, much more luxurious/service orientened than I imagined or am accustomed to.
At first price seems high but includes breakfast and a 5 course huge gourmet dinner nightly and when factoring in dinner cost hotel was a bargain. Hotel also has an indoor pool and sauna/spa area. Most of the sauna/spa benefits are free of charge for guests which is rare and they also have other perks like free bike rentals, free guided tours with their expert walking/hiking guide, etc... Most of the guests had been there for 10 years in a row and will always return, clientele was from all over the world.
Since the hotel fed us so well, we did not eat anywhere else, just some snacks while out from different cafes.

What I did not like about the Dolomites came as a surprise to me. One of the most talked about things to do is to drive the scenic mountain passes. We drove the Gardena Pass and also the Putia Pass and did not enjoy a minute of them. I love driving curvy roads but these are so curvy they are unenjoyable and the Putia Pass is far too narrow to be a 2 way road.
It was about a 3 - 3.5 hour roundtrip drive we took one afternoon.
I looked forward to driving these roads and thought we might even seek out more driving like the Sella Pass and Pordoi Pass but after the 2 we drove that was more than enough and I would prefer to avoid any Dolomite mountain passes personally.

That said for the area, I would want to have a car. You might be able to make it work with public transit but I suspect the timing would be long and service infrequent. You can reach Ortisei from the highway on an easy road so no mountain pass driving is required to go most anywhere. We drove the passes for enjoyment and they did not offer that to us.

We stayed 3 nights and bought a pass for the lifts for the 3 days (3 day Val Gardena Lift Pass) which more than paid for itself.
We debated staying 5 nights and skipping Lake Bled since the hotel did impress us that much, seemed like a place we could relax easily for 2 extra nights but decided to stick with the plan and kept to 3 nights and drove to Lake Bled after 3 nights.

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Cindi, I spent about a week in Bolzano and Bressanone last summer (2015), visiting the Dolomites by bus and lift. It works via public transportation quite well in the summer, though you can obviously cover more ground, faster, by car. I'm not sure how much the schedule drops off in October. This looks like it may be the most complete list of schedules. This link has some of the schedules, but many cut off on Oct 2 or Oct 9. Perhaps the new schedules will be posted soon. More bus schedule info here.

Just sitting on the buses, I had no problem with the roads. I don't think I went over any of the highest passes, however.

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Thank you. Very interesting to learn about this area. What was the weather like this time of year? We have jeans, sweater and a rain coat. Is that enough?

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Thank you. Very interesting to learn about this area. What was the weather like this time of year? We have jeans, sweater and a rain coat. Is that enough?

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It was very elevation dependent and much colder in the morning before the sun warms things up.
So if you took the 8:30 AM lift to top of Seceda you are likely underdressed and could be likely to catch a cold but if you went up at noon time you should be fine with what you are wearing as long as wind is not strong.
In Ortisei itself temps are a good 20 degrees F warmer than top of Seceda.
The Val Gardena website has both web cams and temps/weather for the town and the lift areas, they list wind speed as well which is important. if there is strong wind on Seceda it is definitely gloves and hat type weather.

The first morning when I took the lift up to Seceda at 8:30, there was a 1/2 inch of snow on the ground up there which fell overnight. By noon there was just a dusting in a some spots most had melted away.
The following morning and rest of the time, the area up top was free of any snow.