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travel itinerary help

I need help figuring out what to skip and what's essential on a trip I'm planning in October. We are flying into Rome in mid-October and flying out of Paris the first week of November. This gives us about 17 days in France and Italy. We love food and want to explore wineries and we love to ride bikes and be very active. I was thinking about the following schedule. Please share your thoughts/ideas.

Rome: 3 days
Sienna/Tuscany: 2 days
Florence: 2 days
Modena/Bologna: 1 day (What's the best way to explore as many food options as possible in this area?)
Cinque Terre: 2 days (although the recent reports of overcrowding make me want to skip this area) Will it still be crowded in mid-October? Will it be challenging to find a place to stay? Is Genoa as nice as the Cinque Terre? Should we skip this entire area and add in the French Riviera instead?

Then travel to Lyon: 2 days
(Somewhere in Burgundy) Dijon: 1-2 Day
Paris: 3 days

Posted by
12022 posts

When you say 'Rome : 3days' does that mean 3 nights? To be 2 full days somewhere it takes 3 nights.

One night stops should be avoided like the plague.

Is this a first trip to Italy and France? To me it seems like you are trying 'to do it all', in too little time.

Posted by
40 posts

I spent a month in Italy, October. Cinque Terre was one of the highlights. I did not find it overcrowded. I hope you have a great time!

Posted by
872 posts

You are planning an awful amount of stops, two nights yielding only a full day.

How to you plan to get to Lyon? If determined to visit the CT [which will add a lot of travel time], go there first from Rome. Then fly from Bologna to Lyon on Air France.

Posted by
11828 posts

Bit fast-paced. Hope your "3 days" in Rome is 4 nights there so you have 3 FULL days, a bare minimum in that great city. Ditto Paris. Anything less than 4 nights in Paris is a shame, especially for a first visit.

I would at least combine Siena/Tuscany/Florence. Stay 4 nights in Siena OR Florence and day trip to the other and the countryside. 4 nights = one day in Florence, one in Siena, and one in the countryside. I would skip any one-nighters (Bologna) and make sure you have 3 nights in the Cinque Terre to make it worth the effort to get there. I would also drop Lyon OR Dijon. Slow the pace down a bit so that at the end you have memories of more than checking in-and-out of hotels.

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8027 posts

This past October I had 3 nights in Parma. I’d searched online for a 1-day food tour. One woman did an interesting private tour, but her price quote of about $500 resulted in me taking a group tour based in Parma which was closer to $90 for the day. Even not in high season, there were 9 of us on a weekday being driven to small ham, cheese, and balsamic vinegar producers (all with generous tastings) around Parma and Reggio Emilia within Emilia-Romagna, but not down to Modena or Bologna. Online searching could provide you choices for a food specialty tour that suits your Bologna/Modena interests.

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5697 posts

Okay, I am a fan of slow travel -- with 17 days I would limit myself to Rome (5-6 days), Florence/ Siena/ Tuscany (5-6 days) and Paris. Bologna, Lyon and Burgundy were all nice to visit on later trips but not in the same category as the areas I suggested. (Haven't been to the Cinque Terre.)

And Paris is ... well, it's Paris.

Posted by
8437 posts

Skip Bologna and CT and spend more time in Rome and Florence.
Lyon is nice, but, I would spend more time in Paris.

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Okay, this feedback is wonderful! Sounds like the consensus is spend more time in Florence and Tuscany and add a day to both Rome and Paris. It also sounds like cinque terre is also a great stop in October. What are the favorite biking and hiking related activities in those areas?