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Touring Abruzzo, Umbria, La Marche.... best central place(s) to stay?

My wife is sending me to Italy for 2.5 weeks by myself to tour eastern Italy, while looking for AN AREA to buy a house. The plan is to identify a few areas/towns that we really like, then concentrate on that area next year while looking for a specific house. Her family and myself are going in on it, but I'm the only one with a flexible schedule, so she's sending me to "birddog" an area.

My anglo relatives are fleeing Ecuador, they are retired or semi retired and can't afford to come back to the states. I am thinking about going in on it for an investment, but not to live there.

Im leaving the 29th of october to FCO, and leaving out of CPH(visiting a friend for a couple days) the 19th of November. I should have a good solid 2.5 weeks to tour these areas, and I dont mind staying a in a few places in these areas. Id love some recommendations for nice central towns to stay in, in any of these areas....

Ive been to Italy many times, mostly the tourist areas, but never to the eastern side.

Anyway, Im open to suggestions, questions, advice, ridicule, you name it....

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I'm not 100% clear whether you want to buy a house for you (and/or your relatives) to move there permanently or just as a vacation home.

If you (and/or your relatives) plan to move there permanently, and you (and/or your relatives) are not EU citizens, the only possibility is to apply for a long term visa called ELECTIVE RESIDENCY VISA, a visa that the Italian government grants to people who plan to retire in Italy. It's not a work visa, since with that visa one is not allowed to work. I'm giving you below the page of the Italian Consulate in Los Angeles, which I believe has jurisdiction over Arizona, to get more information.
https://conslosangeles.esteri.it/en/servizi-consolari-e-visti/servizi-per-il-cittadino-straniero/visti/visa-type/elective-residency-visa/

If the plan is to retire in Italy, be known that Italy has much higher income taxes than the US. Their top income tax rate is 43%, which however hits incomes above 50,000€. The income tax rate below that one is 35%, and hits income above 28,000€, so as you can see the tax rates are high and hits incomes at very low level. Like all European countries, Italy likes to soak the middle class and also the poor since there isn't even a standard deduction. Multimillionaires actually pay less taxes in Italy than in the US, since foreign multimillionaires moving to Italy can choose to pay a flat amount of 200,000€ regardless of how many millions they make income, so basically for any yearly income above 1 million or so, the amount to pay is 200k euro, and at 20% (or less) it is probably a good deal for those who qualify.

Since I gather that is not your situation, then, not being rich, you will be taxed heavily. The bilateral treaty on taxation between Italy and the US provides that Public Pensions continue to be taxed by the US, unless you are an Italian citizen, while private pensions (like 401k) are taxed by Italy. There are also wealth taxes on assets held outside of Italy, in case you or your relatives decide to keep bank accounts and real estate in the US.

Given the above tax considerations, you should also know that if you move to certain regions and establish residency in one municipality with less than 20,000 population in those specific regions, you will be exempt from Italian taxes for 10 years. The specific regions that qualify are basically the southern regions and the islands, namely: Abruzzo, Molise, Campania, Puglia, Basilicata, Calabria, Sicily, Sardinia. So if you want to save taxes, it would be a good idea to move to one of the aforementioned regions, and of course you must select a municipality with less than 20,000 population.

There is a Canadian lady in this forum who did just that and moved to Abruzzo, not sure which small town. Her name is Nelly and maybe she can give you some advice on Abruzzo, since you are considering that region. Once you zero in a specific town, you can see the population on wikipedia so that you make sure the municipality has less than 20,000 pop. Some of the towns in Abruzzo which qualify are within one hour from Rome, if you want to be close enough to a large city and airport.

For real estate websites I recommend www.immobiliare.it or www.idealista.it. Both websites have an English language option.

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@ Mark

I will have a go and see if I can help.

Steve’s contributors cover this area lightly. Bradt travel books covers these 3 areas. https://www.bradtguides.com/?s=italy&id=31787&post_type=product

UK site but would assume you can buy in USA somewhere.

I assume you are planning to hire a car. Can not envisage being able to accomplish your task with busses and trains.

Bearing in mind that you are not looking for touristy areas.

Ascoli Piceno is probably the most central town close to where the three provinces come together.
https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/ascoli-piceno-marche-italy-travertine/index.html

I like this town.

Also, in Marche, Fano and San Benedetto del Tronto, could be considered, but are on the coast which may be a limiting factor. My favourite town in Marche is Macerata with its wonderful open-air theatre. Nearby on the coast is Fermo. Favourite with the women in my family. Many luxury products sold by LVMH group, and others have factories here. Particularly shoes. Credit Card heaven.

Perugia, Foligno and maybe Terni in Umbria may suit. Good road connectivity for these towns.

For Abbruzzo, Pescara and Vasto on the coast. As on the coast maybe a limiting factor. Sulmona in the southern section. Contributor Nelly lives in the surrounding mountains to the east. Have in-law relatives around Gran Sasso Park area.

I know it is a new area for you, but, if possible, can you be a little more specific?

Regards
Ron

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We found the book "The Marche" by the Touring Club Italy to be helpful. Looks like it's out of print but may be available used somewhere.

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If the random social media posts I get are even somewhat accurate, Marche is a great place to be looking (though do your earthquake diligence). Senigallia is probably fairly expensive to buy, but it's a great town. Cute little Fano next town over is a delight. I also enjoyed Ascoli Piceno. All are convenient for reaching Ancona airport and public transport, but of course you'll want to drive around to explore other towns.

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We just ended a week in Sulmona yesterday. If you wish to be steeped in Italian culture without the heavy tourism, it’s a great starting point. Less than an hour to Pescara and two hours to Rome by car. We saw several vendesi signs in Sulmona and the surrounding hill towns. If I remember correctly Abruzzo, Molise and Puglia offer a 7% income tax rate to expats willing to live in certain areas. Good luck with your hunt.