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Thoughts on recent Rome triip, Part 3

Vatican sights

Vatican Square was very impressive and looked spiffy with both fountains going. We arrived at St Peter's via taxi at 8:00 am. There was already a line to go thru security, appearing to be mostly groups. We entered the basilica at 8:30 am. (Security allowed water bottles) St Peter's is an overwhelming sight with all the beautiful marble on display. The Pieta was not viewable due to restoration work for the Jubilee and Bernini's altar canopy is also under wraps with no access to the apse behind the altar. We would have liked to have seen both of these but there was still much to see and appreciate. There were plenty of people inside but it is so immense we were not like sardines. When we left around 11:00 the security line wound around the square so get there as early as possible.

Vatican Museums

This is a problem child. I booked an official Vatican tour at 4:00 pm on a day when the museums closed at 7:00 pm hoping for less crowding. Maybe it was better than earlier in the day but still very crowded. Before we left I did not read much about the Vatican tour so I will give my opinion on it.

Security would not allow entry for the tour before 3:30. Consequently, there was not time to use the restrooms which were downstairs from where the tour started. ( Husband was able to run down and use but of course the women's line was too long, plan accordingly) Headsets were handed out but not tested and tour started on time. The headsets were terrible, mostly static unless the guide was stopped and for the most part she was walking. Tour size was fine at about 25. Because the guide does not enter the Sistine Chapel at the end, the guide gives a half-hour explanation of the Chapel frescoes in a utilitarian room with no seating. People were getting antsy which irritated the guide but I think many in the group had read about what they were going to see and wanted to see more of the museums, including myself. The guide's overall presentation(what I could hear) was ok but not great.

We did get to see the Pinecone Courtyard , the Laocoon sculpture, the beautiful hallways, floors, stunning ceilings in the museum. However, everything was very rushed. The Raphael rooms were a disaster. We were herded thru by the guards, saw nothing until we entered the "School of Athens" room which was wonderful, for some reason not crowded and the guide did her best commentary here. She apologized for not seeing the other rooms but said there was nothing she could do about it. We arrived at the Sistine at 6:00, the end of the tour. It is magnificent but is not an enjoyable experience. Too many people( although I've seen it worse in pictures). Guards are aggressive in limiting movement so it was hard to see the entire ceiling. At 6:30, it was time to go.

The entire Museums experience needs to be reviewed and improved by the Vatican. They are, after all, the ones controlling the number of tix sold and how tours are handled. Visitors deserve better. I'm glad we did it but as a museum lover, it is a shame not to be able to see more of this magnificent place in an enjoyable way. Because of the crowds and the way you are pushed thru I don't know that going on your own (no tour) would get you a much better experience.

A couple Rome sights we enjoyed I didn't mention before are the Ara Pacis(Altar of Peace) and Trajan's Marketplace. No crowds at either. Guilty confession: Although we had tix, we bailed on the Colosseum interior and did the Marketplace instead. We had visited the Roman arenas in Arles and Nimes and learned about the gladiators etc. They were of course, much smaller than the Colosseum but modeled after it. We just couldn't face the intense crowds at the Colosseum on the appointed day.

I will monitor the forum for about a week. If anyone has any questions, I will try to answer them.

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Thank you for this report and all the suggestions! This October I've got 2 1/2 days in Rome before my "Seven Days in Rome" RS tour which also includes some free time, so I'm taking notes.

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Lizcat, thanks for another trip report edition. Your Vatican tour was similar to mine in 2019 except we did the pre-hours tour. Same non-working headsets, same overwhelming crowds.

I thought about attempting the museums again this year, but changed my mind to the smaller, less crowded venues. I was so glad to see your Part 2 post that included a couple of those.

Did you go to Ostia Antiqua? I need to review your post about ticket questions. I'm debating if I want to see it since I've been to Pompeii and Rome and Arles Colosseums. I've scheduled busy itineraries in Florence followed by Rome, so a quiet day sounds tempting.

Thanks for posting your trips reports.

If you don't mind a suggestion: instead of posting separate reports, post as one long multi-segment report. What I found worked: I write out my trip report in Word. Post the first segment with a BIG note on top asking people not to respond until the other segments post. Since the report was all written, I just cut and pasted to the forum topic. That way the whole trip report is together. When everything is posted, I remove my "wait" note. I save my Word trip report for my memories.

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Enjoyed reading your report(s). We visited last October and did not care for the Vatican Museum tour either. Too crowded and rushed. Unable to take it all in. Going back the end of this November - spending 15 days in Rome after starting off in Bologna. We do hope work on some of the fountains is complete by then but we know how slowly things move in Italy. Staying away from the big attractions this time around. Going to take in the feel of the City - maybe some Christmas decorations since we will be there through the beginning of December. Thanks again for taking the time to share.

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Horsewoofie: No, we didn’t get to Ostia. My one big regret. The possible days for it proved to be just too hot - mid 90s to 100. We couldn’t switch the schedule around due to pre-purchased tix for other sights, closed days etc.

Yes, I should have posted so all parts were together. Jane(posting on Part 2) suggested using Add Reply to continue when running out of space but I did Part 3 before I saw her post.

Frzummo87: A lot of fountains around town are just fine. The Trevi looks perfect, also The Sinking Ship by the Spanish Steps, the Moses fountain(see RS Baroque Walk) and many others. It would have been nice though to see Piazza Navona’s fountains. We did enjoy the architecture of the piazza but with the fountains it would have been very special. Hope they are unveiled for your trip.

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The entire Museums experience needs to be reviewed and improved by the Vatican. They are, after all, the ones controlling the number of tix sold and how tours are handled. Visitors deserve better.

But the Vatican just did a major revamp of their hours and ticketing, which was phased in early this year. They have to balance handling the crush of overtourism with the need to give a somewhat meaningful experience to each visitor.

To limit access to the extent that the Borghese does would most likely result in accusations of elitism - as only a select few would gain admission - think of the level of frustration with buying tickets if only half the number of current tickets were made available.

The solution is for people to stop thinking that they have to see the Museums/Sistine Chapel no matter what. Or else add a conveyor belt/moving sidewalk to whisk people all the way through, like the one used for the crown jewels in the Tower of London,

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Hey Lizcat, your reports are super-informative!

We are visiting Rome next April, about 2 weeks before Easter, but not during Holy Week. The 4 of us have already got an AirBnB secured, and we thought it best to book a 3-hour tour for the Vatican/St. Peter's. So far, The Tour Guy seems to have the best reviews, and at around $90/pp for the fast line, quick access to St. Peter's, etc. I'm ready to book now, and do a first tour of the day, seeing that it's a Jubilee year and will probably be overrun around that time.

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Jay: Yes, if you’re doing a guided tour, best to book the first tour of the day. Be aware the line to enter St Peter’s is strictly a security line. There was no fast access line. One line for groups and individuals so the earlier your tour enters, the shorter the security line.

Mark: Yes, I know the Vatican changed it’s ticketing procedures and hours. IMO, they are still selling too many tix. There is no need to reduce entries to the Borghese level given the immense size of the Vatican. Also, the entry lines at the Vatican museums were chaotic with poor crowd control. I have tried to highlight uncrowded worthwhile sights throughout my reports but I understand people wanting to visit the Vatican Museums. I don’t think just telling them not to is a solution. Improvement in the visitor experience lies with the Vatican. I have described my experience with the Official Vatican Tour to give others an idea of what to expect.