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Some tips and observations from our Italy trip.

Hi all. Some notes from our trip. We just returned from Rome, Florence, Ravenna and Venice. We travelled by train.

In Venice, the Alilaguna water bus is a great way to get to and from the airport, but if you are going TO the airport, be aware that the boats are small and could be full when they arrive at your stop. Then you have to wait for the next boat. So leave enough time to be able to miss a boat or two. Our first arrival wouldn't let anyone on. The second (30 minutes later) allowed 2 of us. The boat seems to fit about 25 people. Of course, this might depend on which line you ride and which stop. We were on the Orange line, San Stae stop.

Looking for bathrooms? We stopped in several public libraries. For instance, there is one just a block or so from the Duomo. Free and no waiting.

St Clementi Basilica is worth seeing even with the restoration going on. Tour the lower churches.

I didn't see any pickpocketing but we did see a ton of police. Lots of police presence in Rome especially.

The Trevi Fountain is crazy busy, but it only takes a minute or two to get up to the railing in the free area. So don't despair when you see the crowd.

Even with a reservation, we waited 45 minutes to get into St Peter's.

EES was quick and easy. It took about 2 minutes arriving in Rome at 11am. And it took about the same leaving from Venice. We barely stopped. And with Global Entry, we whizzed right through JFK too.

Now, for stuff that's my opinion.
I wish we'd skipped the Vatican Museum. The Sistine Chapel was packed, even at closing time, and I hear it's always that way. You're crammed together like sardines while the guard yells at people to quit taking video and people ignore him. Humanity at its worst. And it's a one direction musuem. So, when we missed the Raphael rooms, what I really wanted to see, we had to go all the way around again to see them. The guards wouldn't let us cut through the other way. The crowds were too thick for it anyways. It was crowded when I saw it 40 years ago, but a different level of crowded now. I felt the same about St Peter's. We saw so many beautiful churches in Rome without the crazy crowds.

The Borghese Gallery was our favorite museum of the trip. Not too crowded because they limit entry. Not too big of a collection. Gorgeous building and grounds. Perfection. The Uffizi was our second favorite. It was crowded, but not too bad. And they had a lovely terrace cafeteria. Speaking of which, the terrace cafe at the Capitoliine was great, too.

The 20 minute arena tour of the Colosseum was enough for us. And they didn't enforce the time limit, but 20 minutes was enough. No waiting to get in either. Easy!

Ravenna is worth a trip! I think I liked it better than Florence. More Italians than Americans. The mosaics are stunning.

Domus Aurea was worth getting up at 3am to book tickets.

My big opinion: I don't understand day trippers and cruisers and many of the tour groups. The experience looks awful. My favorite times in all the cities we visited were early and late, especially in Florence and Venice. I know I'm part of the problem being a tourist, but at least I brought some money to the local economy. And the number of tourists I saw who I didn't even try to speak Italian, even to say grazie or buongiorno, was disappointing. They'd sit down next to us at a cafe and start right away with English. My Italian is sorely lacking, but one should try. We've travelled other places in Europe and I have never seen as many "ugly Americans" as I have on this trip to Italy. My husband had never been to Italy except our trip to the Dolomites so we were doing some big sites.. I expected Florence and Venice and Rome to be full of American tourists, but I didn't expect their behavior to be so poor. So many people seemed to be there to take photos (of everything) and shop.

We still had a wonderful trip. Hope you do, too.

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Thanks for your trip report Mary. May I ask how long you stayed in Ravenna? Sounds like you and hubby had a great time, I'm intrigued that you preferred Ravenna to Florence.

Your comment about skipping the Vatican museum made me laugh! I completely agree. I've been to Rome over the decades & luckily saw them 35 years ago & that was crowded enough. And yes, there are SO many fantastic museums & churches in Rome without braving those crowds. About those foreigners - I sincerely love practicing my Italian & it does wonders for opening up communication, think how many of those people missed that experience! Thanks again for sharing.

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Mary- thank you for your little trip report and funny, and sad, anecdotes. I’ll comment on this only though:
“ And the number of tourists I saw who I didn't even try to speak Italian, even to say grazie or buongiorno, was disappointing. They'd sit down next to us at a cafe and start right away with English. My Italian is sorely lacking, but one should try. We've travelled other places in Europe and I have never seen as many "ugly Americans" as I have on this trip to Italy. ”
My wife and I have been traveling to Italy together since 2004 and I myself have been doing so since 1999. We’ve been together since that first trip. She’s northern Italian. Speaks English fluently with a slight NY accent, since we lived there for some time before moving to MA. She doesn’t ever comment on tourists not speaking the language, but I, as a well seasoned American traveler, who is mostly fluent in Italian, takes great offense at the lack of awareness or common courtesy in some of these tourists. Yes, forum, I’m well aware that I myself am a tourist when we visit Italy, BUT, and this is a big one, I always speak Italian upon ordering at restaurants, always say buongiorno upon entering shops, am always respectful of the country I love to visit and wish to retire to soon. It really irks me when tourists, specifically americans, but there are other countries as well, that don’t even try to learn the few words and phrases to even order a simple coffee, or a caffé. It’s really not that difficult. And don’t even get me started on the photo taking of EVERYTHING, even trash bins. When we were in Varenna last month with my Italian in-laws, I saw people taking photos of the trash bins meant specifically for pizza boxes. Really people? Enjoy the views. Enjoy your surroundings. Enjoy your travels. In the past, I’d ignore it and move on, but it’s laughable in the saddest possible way.

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“ When we were in Varenna last month with my Italian in-laws, I saw people taking photos of the trash bins meant specifically for pizza boxes. Really people? Enjoy the views. Enjoy your surroundings. Enjoy your travels. ”

For lots of people, traveling is about seeing and experiencing things that are different than at home. Such as a trash bin meant specifically for pizza boxes. Or public toilets in Japan, with all kinds of technical gadgets like heated toilet seats, sound effects of chirping birds or streaming rivers to drown out certain noise and of course the cleaning of the toilet seat after you flush. You’ll be shocked to learn that I not only took photos of the spotlessly clean public toilets, but also made a video showing all the technology. Why? Because it’s nothing like we have at home. And for me, noticing things that are different than at home is part of the enjoyment of travel.

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Just came here to say that when I visited the Vancouver area last year, I took photos of the bear-proof trash bins. And spent some time examining them up close.

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Thanks for sharing your trip & insights! Good idea for the library bathrooms!

”My favorite times in all the cities we visited were early and late…”

That’s my favorite, too! Early morning walks before day trippers arrive are the best for enjoying the city colors with the morning hues for photography. Photos of Venice without any people in them - wonderful! The sights & sounds of morning workers, birds, etc. & the morning air - all special. And the evenings are wonderful when a city turns back into itself without the crowds. I know several readers on the forum don’t understand my love of moving often & staying in 10+ cities during a trip, but each city has its own ambience, and I love being a part of it. Even Alberobello, Locorotondo & Martina Franca - three small cities within about 15 minutes of each other made me so glad I had stayed at all three of them instead of multiple day trips.