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Rome to Prague on a 16 to 18 Day Itinerary

I am in the early stages of planning a trip for August 2018. We want to hit Several bordering countries (Italy,Austria,Germany and Czech Rep) and I would like input on travel within each country.

Is a Eurail pass best to hit all the stops or just for travel between countries? Better to travel all of Italy by car then take a train to Salzberg, Munich and Czech? Also I want to be a little flexible so I am unsure about booking hotels in each stop in advance or after arrival...is it hard to find rooms the day of arrival in July /August?

We are currently planning: Rome to Florence then on to Salzburg Austria, Munich Germany then ending in Prague Czech. Any recommendations on durations or how to book open ended plane tickets would be helpful since I don't want to backtrack to Rome for departure.

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To look at open ended airfares use the multicity tag on Kayak. You can put in the day you arrive in Rome then out of Prague. You can also play around with various combinations to see if there are better flight times/prices for your itinerary. Seat61.com is a good place to look at train options and travel times. You may be better off buying regular fares a few months ahead for trains rather than a Eurail pass. Seat 61 can show you where to look for prices etc. This will decrease your flexibility. You will pay for flexibility by paying higher train prices day of departure. This also seems to have a lot of stops for a 2 1/2 week trip. You will spend a lot of time travelling for a 2 week trip. How much of Italy are you planning to see?

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When shopping for airfares, choose the "Multi-city" (or "Open-jaw") option. I did some exploring myself back in September, and it seemed to me that to keep the cost down, I needed to stick with two cities served by the same airline alliance. If I selected one city served by the United group and another served by the American group, I got not-budget-friendly fares. (It looked as if I might be paying for two one-way tickets.) So you may need to explore a bit.

From my origin, I sometimes see good deals into Milan, Rome and Munich, but it really does depend on where you're flying from, and when. You can start by looking at roundtrip fares to get an idea of what might be your lowest-cost gateway cities and perhaps less expensive weeks or days for travel. Some of your possible gateways will probably get eliminated at that step.

The subject of finding a hotel upon arrival in a city has come up several times recently, and the consensus appears to be that it's not generally a good idea. I'm one of several posters who traveled that way in the (distant) past, but now that we have the internet and easy access to Wi-Fi, it's simple to use a hotel-booking website (I use booking.com but don't claim that it's better than other options) 1 to 3 days ahead of time. Then your arrival in the city is stress-free. Several things besides the internet have come into play since the 1980s: cheapo intra-European airfares have a lot more Europeans on the move, and the economy in places like China has improved to the point that there's a middle class able to travel far and wide. Demand is up greatly, and the travelers competing with you for hotel rooms will mostly not have waited till the last minute to reserve something. You will generally get the least-desirable/more-costly places, or you may be frozen out completely.

Even booking a few days ahead is not without some risk. You need to have done your research so you're confident you're not going to bump into some sort of big-deal special event that could suck up all the hotel rooms weeks or months in advance.

These factors add to the risk:
- Low budget for lodging.
- Insistence on a "special" sort of place--charming, with a view, with a balcony, with a good breakfast, etc. Within each price range, that sort of place gets snapped up early.
- Need for air conditioning (not all places north of the Alps are air conditioned, and you're traveling during a potentially very hot period). Several times I've been forced into a higher hotel category than I wanted because all the lower-rated places with a/c were booked up.
- Insistence on staying in a particular town, especially in a central location in that town, rather than just nearby. Again, you may have to compromise on proximity to sights or the train station to avoid moving up one hotel category.
- Preference for longer stays in one place. At the last minute, it can be easier to find a place for just a night or two than for 3+ nights.

Still, the flexibility of last-minute hotel bookings is worth it to me. I booked most of my rooms just 24 to 48 hours ahead of time during a 4-1/2 month summer 2015 trip and a 3-month summer 2016 trip. I did arrange a 10-night reservation in Barcelona a month or so ahead of time because of the length of the stay and the comparatively high cost of hotels in that city. And I think it's smart to make a reservation as soon as you're sure when you want to arrive in a city; there are no bonus points for dilly-dallying unnecessarily.

You probably won't benefit from having a car, but we'd need a list of planned cities to give a well-thought-out answer.

Ditto the railpass. It's unlikely one will pay off, but to be sure one must compare the cost of point-to-point tickets with the cost of a pass. I think the countries you plan to visit have generally reasonable rail fares. Germany, in particular, has some good deals

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One other thing about the railpass: Occasionally a travel leg, especially in central or eastern Europe, works best via bus or a shuttle of some sort. That can make a railpass less likely to pay off. Again, you need to make a list of the actual trips you anticipate taking.

Looking at the length of those train/bus rides will help you see whether your trip has too much moving around and not enough actual sightseeing time. Every time you change hotels you're going to lose about half a day. You'll lose more than that with a bus or train trip that takes 4 hours or more.

I agree that--though we don't have details--this sounds like too many destinations for the length of trip you propose to take.

Is "we" two adults, or are there others involved? Any children?

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When comparing the value of a rail pass to tickets, there's no real rule of thumb between domestic and international trains. Either type can be short and cheap or long and expensive, depending on the actual destination. Rick’s Train Travel Time & cost Map gives you an overview of faster train travel times in hours, as well as regular (full-price) 2nd-class fares. On the same page, maps for each country reflect ticket prices for some shorter rides.

Those rates assume booking on short notice, versus reserving tickets ahead for a discount. Flexibility seems to be your current leaning and a pass allows you to just jump on many trains along your route, although faster Italian trains require you to pay 10 euro for a seat reservation sometime before boarding.

Of course, this price comparison is not really relevant for another year. The more important task now is to plan the destinations you want to see and the time needed to do it. Both plane tickets and rail passes cannot be purchased more than 11 months in advance.

I don't know why you would drive in "all of Italy" versus the other destinations. Trains serve any Italian city of note, but you might want a car for a time if you're visiting several hill towns in Tuscany and Umbria, for instance.

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So our trip will be 2 adults and 2 high school seniors traveling from the Midwest (Chicago or St Louis airports) we are very flexible with our destinations but the "must see" locations for the kids are Germany(Dachau & Berchtesgaden) and Czech Rep (Prague). I added Italy because that's on my wish list, but maybe going to Rome is too far south for a 16-18 day trip? I guess I looked at the train travel as part of the site seeing tour, but maybe my expectations are high?

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When you're ready to check prices for rail tickets, it's best to visit the websites of each country's rail company. Simply for checking schedules and trip durations, the Deutsche Bahn website is easy to use. Write down every train leg you're considering and look up how long the trip will take on the fastest train. Now add time to pack up, check out of the hotel, get to the train station and do the same in the reverse on the other end of the trip. (I estimate a minimum of 2 hours for all those tasks.) That's how long the transfer will take. There will be some nice scenery on the way, but ideally you don't want to spend tons of time sitting on trains. Days without inter-city train or bus rides are tourists' gold, because you can just fit so much more into such days.

When the length of a proposed train or bus trip extends beyond some number of hours (which varies by traveler), you might consider flying, which will mean less time actually moving from city to city but extra time to get out to the airport and wait in lines.

I wouldn't say Rome is absolutely impossible if you skipped Florence and flew in from Prague or Munich, but I do think it is ill-advised. You wouldn't have enough days there to do the city justice, and Italy is worth a trip by itself. There's plenty to see in Germany, Austria, and Czechia. Limiting the geographic extent of your trip will maximize sightseeing time and minimize train/bus time.

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For a thorough discussion of the issues about rail passes and the realities of using them today, here's a great post from The Man In Seat 61: http://tinyurl.com/bkw4u6c

To find rail schedules and routes, use the Bahn (German Rail) website http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/query.exe/en, following Rick's tutorial: http://www.ricksteves.com/travel-tips/transportation/trains/online-schedules

That site will only have prices for trains that start or end in Germany. For other trains, here's a list of where to look for the best priced tickets, again from The Man In Seat 61: http://tinyurl.com/bo8x6o6

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With a group travelling in July/August I would lock in your itinerary - book trains and hotels.

Rome, Italy - 3 nights
Florence, Italy - 3 nights
Venice, Italy - 3 nights
Innsbruck, Austria - 1 night
Salzburg, Austria - 2 nights
Munich, Germany - 3 nights
Prague, Czech - 3 nights

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There are lots of great posts here. Yes, reduce the number of what you want to see.

I like djp_syd's itenarary. Just remember each time you change you lose at least a half day. You can visit Salzburg from Munich as a day trip with a 31 Euro Bayern Ticket. This would give you the flexibility to come back to Salzburg a second day if you thought it deserved it. Or you could spend that day else where on a day trip to Munich. There are lots of day trips from Munich, they have been posted on the Germany board repeatedly.

You will need to add a day to rest somewhere in the middle of your trip. We took our 10 year old daughter to Lido Beach in Venice. It gave her something special to remember. August can get hot in Venice. Even half a day would be a nice break for your high school seniors.

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wow...thank you everyone, lots of very helpful info! I am thinking we may limit to Venice, Munich (maybe small town outside Munich for a local feel...maybe a lake community) then Prague and do day trips from each. I like the idea of Beach time in August!