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Roman Restaurants Refusing Service?

In every other city we've visited (Venice, Florence, Siena, Tuscan towns), whenever tables appeared to be open at a restaurant, the host would generally seat us. As a consequence, we've had some tremendous meals without having to make any reservations in advance.

Rome, however, has been a different story. Tonight, while walking around Trastevere at about 8PM, we had several fairly nice-looking trattorias and osterias with clearly available seating tell us that they were all full, due to reservations. The final straw was one place with a large outdoor seating area, ENTIRELY empty, which told us they were all booked up.

You might think we're rowdy-looking Americans in flip-flops, cut-offs, and Dallas Cowboy jerseys (our home city), but we're nicely attired; I always have a sports jacket and snazzy shirt on.

So the question is: Are these restaurants truly/authentically booked for the evening, and we're just being overly sensitive? Or is there genuinely a slight bias against people who clearly (on the basis of language-- I speak fluent French but no Italian) are not natives? In discussing this, my wife and I decided that if Dallas were tomorrow to be submerged in a similar percentage of foreign tourists making it impossible for us to get into our favorite restaurants, we'd probably be more than a bit resentful.

Posted by
11513 posts

No.. they are just out to get you..

Seriously .. most Italians eat later in evening,.so I bet you were looking for dinner between 7.30 and 8.30.. in which case you might in fact find empty tables.. but they are booked for 9 or 10. In North America we would double book a table like that.. in general its not the done thing in many Europeon countries.

Posted by
16235 posts

I'm pretty sure you are over sensitive.

If those seats weren't really booked, they would have no reason to tell potential customers to stay away. Empty seats don't generate revenue.

Restaurants owners don't give a damn where you are from, as long as you pay. And actually they covet American customers more because they are known for being lavish spenders and, unlike Italians or Europeans in general, leave a tip to boot.

Additionally if you have a restaurant in Trastevere, and count to sit Italian customers only, you are not in the right business. Many customers in Trastevere are foreign tourists nowadays.

No. They were probably booked for later in the evening, since Romans eat after 9pm.

Posted by
28477 posts

I had exactly the same experience in Trastevere last year. I was traveling alone, so I wondered whether they didn't want to give a table to a solo diner. Clearly not the issue with you, so I imagine it is the case that the tables were booked for a bit later in the evening.

One of the places that turned me away looked like a hole in the wall, very down-market. But I learned later that it is included on Rome foodie tours and is known as a place where local chefs go for local specialties when they get off work. So I can well believe it was booked up.

Posted by
11613 posts

Some restaurants put out signs on tables that are specifically requested, but many restaurants don't bother.

Italian restaurants expect one seating per evening; they will hold a table for you until you show up, especially if you are a regular (meaning you've been there at least once before).

Tonight is Friday, a night popular for eating out.

Posted by
16895 posts

I'm glad that you had better luck in the other cities. I've certainly encountered the same issue in Venice and Florence, not only Rome.

Posted by
16235 posts

If a table is empty because it's booked for 9:30 pm (the usual dinner time in Rome), and you show up at 8pm, they will not give you that table. The table will be kept empty until the reserved party arrives at 9:30pm.

That's because once they give you a table, even if it's 7:30pm, the table is yours until closing time. It's not like in America where they clean the table and bring you the bill before you are even done eating. If you noticed, nobody brings you the check until you ask (multiple times).

Rushing a party out to clear the table is considered a very serious example of bad customer service, and Italians will start an argument if a restaurant owner/waiter tried. My former director in Italy during our annual department dinner engaged in a major argument (almost a fist fight) with the owner simply because the waiter came to take our order before we told him we were ready to order (it was 1030pm and they were rushing to take the order before they closed the kitchen).

Posted by
16752 posts

Great explanation from Roberto: they really are booked for all the reasons he has provided. If we don't have reservations - which is normal for us - we hit the door at the opening hour when they feel more confident that we'll be out of there by the time they need the table. Being seated at an early hour hasn't been a problem at many of the more casual restaurants so far. A high-end one with a dress code? Might be a different story but we don't do those anyway.

Posted by
17600 posts

Yep---if the tables are reserved for later they will not seat you, even if the reservation is hours away.

We encountered one exception in Madrid, where the locals typically dine very late. We stopped by a small, family-run, highly rated place right when they opened, at 10 pm (!) and asked if they happened to have a table free. The hostess said no, but the American wife of the owner happened to be close by and intervened. She said she had a table that was reserved for 11:30 but we could have it right then if we promised to be finished before 11:30. She smiled and said she only makes that kind of offer with Americans---a Spaniard would be insulted at being asked to commit to a finish time. We did take the table,ordered two courses each, and finished in time ( they made sure to take our order and bring the food without delay).

Posted by
23666 posts

Our experience especially for major cities - Rome, Venice, Florence, etc., reservations are expected. Have bump into similar situation as described. So we just make reservations. Some times we will make the reservation at 5 for 7pm or swing by at lunch and make the evening reservation. Need to learn how to adjust to local customs and practices.

Posted by
3398 posts

I've had similar experiences in many big cities of Europe. Just ate at a very nice place in Copenhagen...arrived around 7:30 PM and was told that they only had 1 table available - the place was empty. We took the table and sat there, skeptically thinking that they were full of it.
Within 45 minutes the place was packed! I've had this experience more than once...it always surprises me though!

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That all makes sense. I had observed that there was never an attempt to "turn tables", as there is in the US. I guess we did not realize that some reservations were voluntarily as late as 9:30. In the US, such a late reservation generally means that was the earliest reservation you could get for a given evening.

Thanks for the insight.

Posted by
4535 posts

I've sat in many a restaurant at 7:30 or 8:00 all by myself and wondering if I made a terrible choice. But inevitably the food was good and by the time I was about done (and I don't eat fast), the place would be packed. I've also seen many walk-ins turned away even though most of the other tables are empty - because they are reserved for later.